08-24-2014, 01:54 PM
(08-24-2014, 12:01 PM)Harmonic Wrote:(08-24-2014, 10:46 AM)Grakor456 Wrote:(08-24-2014, 10:06 AM)Harmonic Wrote: I think for this poll to be fair and not broad, it needs to be discussed in conjunction with -why- people want to change it. Are we going to talk about players getting high ranks and stature in cities? Some will vote in favor of custom lore just based on that. The Garrosh thing? It's not an unreasonable thing to think that is why this topic was made, people complain about that frequently.
Thing is, this topic is broad. Of -course- there will be an overwhelming yes. But unless we get more information as to why this is up for discussion... it doesn't make sense to jutt this out and say "are we for it?" Because it's like asking someone if they want pizza. They will say yes, but might regret it if they get anchovies and mushrooms.
Person A wants custom lore to advance his character in the over-arching story. Person B wants custom lore in order to make the story fresh, exciting, and unpredictable again. Person C wants custom lore because that person thinks Blizzard's writing is terrible and believes we can do better. I've heard all these opinions, but I don't need to know how many of each we have. Why? Because in the end, we can satisfy all three needs at the same time without problem. Done and done. The nitty-gritty specifics of "Is Garrosh still going to flip out for no reason?", "Will Aggra continue to be nothing other than a womb for Thrall to impregnate?", or "Will Anduin still teach Velen the importance of friendship?" seems kind of pointless to discuss right now, beyond the possibility that they can change. One step at a time, we need to know how far we can go before we make that leap.
Not to be hostile, but given your position I don't think you should really be making that comparison, because you're coming off more as "I don't like pizza at all, so I'm going to shout out the worst possible outcomes that I can think of in the hopes of depriving others of pizza so I don't miss out."
So... because I don't like the idea, I can't say it's unfair to those who don't like it that this will slant towards "yes" because of a lack of information?
I could understand---again, a discussion about changes. While I'm not fond of changing blizz lore, that sort of topic gives people something to work with. Plus, it can give people like me a -reason- to change our minds. Something to discuss. Saying "do you wanna?" sets this up with -no context-, other than just changing the lore.
Yes I'm against it overall. In no way should that somehow negate my opinion that we -should- have information on what reason is behind this. Yes, I do think that is fair to everyone, so that people aren't blindly agreeing to something that we have no clue on how the GM's are currently planning on using to change CoTH.
I understand you guys are trying to get opinions from the community, but give us a clue what you are thinking behind the questions. What exactly would you guys change? Why? What wont be changed?
Otherwise this question of custom lore -is- weighted and already slanted by the assumptions of what custom lore could me to any single one of us.
I could care less about my pizza analogy. Mostly because I can settle down if it's known what changing lore -means-. The examples you provided even... while people might like one thing, they may hate another. Think it's more than fair to say we should really, really discuss this stuff and think it all through.
I don't see how these requests put me in a position were I am invalidated.
Edit: Also, I do find it pretty offensive at the end of your statement. People can find fun in these things. Good, I'm glad. But, I also find fun in lore, so how does it mean I'm depriving others for selfish gain? Because I think people should make informed judgement?
You know me better than that.
Let's calm down and stop taking things personally. I don't specifically mean the person I have quoted, I mean anyone discussing or mulling it over in their mind. I think one of our largest issues here is that we take everything personally, but that is a discussion for another time.
I understand where both sides are coming from, I think. The staff/pro-custom lore side is saying "Hey man, we don't know what we're changing yet. We just want to know if we should even think of ideas before we actually start doing that!" and that's cool and I am totally on board with that train of thought. Why build up ideas and thoughts when it's not even set that it will happen? That'd be silly, and a good chance to set yourself up for disappointment.
On the flip side, the con argument is thinking that "Hey, we're totally against changing the lore. If you're proposing we write our own, well, what did you have in mind? It's totes def an issue worth discussing, man. I don't want us to vote for the idea of custom lore and then have it turn into a Easy-bake Oven role-play server, because we retconned all races into being a different child's cooking utensil. I'd feel horrible if that happened!" And this side is valid, too. I can definitely understand the fear that everything that gets pushed through is going to be a horrifying change that we need to adapt to.
This is an internet message board, so it's hard for us all to understand the true meaning behind a post. We are missing so many social cues that would indicate better our emotions and opinions. With this in mind, don't take it all personally. Nobody here is here specifically choosing to attack you, hell, not even your opinion. Everyone here is just trying to make their voices heard, and misinterpretations and misunderstandings are starting to cause some more personal disagreements and perhaps even some hostilities.
My main point of this post is to take a step back, review the opinions that agree with you, and read the opinions that are against yours. Now read them again, but this time flip your opinion around to walk in their big, goofy clown shoes. You might find that they fit a little more snugly than they looked at first, because they're not clown shoes at all.