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Guild Subforums, Part 3
#16
THAT seems like a very fair compromise up above, if only to keep those things organized. Plus, that way we don't need the specific guild subforums, we could just all use those and not have to bug you and Kretol for them if we need 'em.
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#17
I've always struggled a bit to determine the 'correct' way to use a guild forum, to be honest. Almost all guild activity on the forums could be connected to one of the usages listed in the main post.

The Love Exchange's profiles (I apologise for using your guild as an example, Immy) should be in Personals, technically speaking, because it's essentially one character seeking another, albeit ICly and through a third party.

If that's the defining unique trait that makes use of a guild forum valid, then how about something like this?

An officer of a military guild sets up a system calling for mission reports and debriefing. Reports follow an outlined structure, and are posted as partly-IC write-ups. Soldier and officer then mediate to determine a date and time to meet up for the debriefing.

It follows the same formula; application, then one-on-one roleplay. It also falls under the IC Writing and Personals categories, though.

I'm having trouble thinking of a situation where a guild forum would be necessary (by the given standards) outside of TLE's organisational framework, though. It narrows the field to an incredibly specific sliver of usages. If that's intentional, then that's fine, but I think most people who requested a guild forum were just looking for a way to keep all their guild threads together to avoid things being lost, forgotten, or deleted.

I think that ought to be a valid use for them as well, as long as they're used.
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(07-11-2013, 11:43 AM)Delta Wrote: The Love Exchange's profiles (I apologise for using your guild as an example, Immy) should be in Personals, technically speaking, because it's essentially one character seeking another, albeit ICly and through a third party.

Let me clarify this, since it has come up twice now and I just explained this to Rensin:

The reason I don't say TLE Profiles should go into Personals because that's not -quite- what they're for. Personals are "I'm looking for this, are there any takers?" TLE profiles are, in contrast to this, for internal use only. They're "We've got these people, how do we pair them up?" They're not there specifically for outside people to respond to. (Though, from what I understand, they can nonetheless be used for OOC purposes. I've managed to arrange an RP this way. But it's not the main purpose.)

Now, that said, Psychyn's idea there may be worth considering. We'll look at it.
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#19
Aye, I was close to saying "Why don't we just make a subforum for that" but... that's kinda the point, haha. I can see it's uses, but the only catch 22 I can think of is that'd leave only a handful of guilds with subforums, to which I feel like we might be best to do without them. However, Psychyn's suggestion seems like the most fair, and if we were left with only very few guild specific forums, that would be a very nice compromise.
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#20
Eh. To be honest, most guild information can be broken up into different posts in a guild thread. Can't you give a specific title to posts? Apart from TLE, most guilds are just as you said, nothing that really demanded a sub-forum.
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#21
Is it really that horrible to have guild forums? I mean.. not a lot of members post in the guild topics and the event topics. Let's be honest, not everyone cares that much about what their guild is writing on the forum, most of it is knowledge that was shared between members and they all know what's going on. When I was a member of The Black Harvest I didn't even look at the events and all that stuff. I just overheard people talking about what's gonna happen and that worked just fine. I attended a bunch of events and a bunch of guild RP sessions.

All in all.. I think subforums for guilds are just fine. It's a nice place to write IC posts and what happened with the guild in particular, see how stuff goes in the guild and spark some interest in the players that aren't members. It's a good place to keep track of everything that's going on and I really think it would be useful to have. If we are so tight about these forums why do we even have them? I don't understand how it hurts to have sub forums, even if they are not super populated by the members. It's always a lot nicer to go on a sub forum and read everything that happened in that guild, how events concluded and what's gonna happen next. I'd rather check on guilds like that instead of having to search through three or four sub forums.

Now I should come with a solution, or maybe just an idea. My idea would be to keep the old system but get rid of the inactive guilds. Let's say a guild has a sub forum, that guild doesn't have players in it (in game) and it kind of died. Then, the sub forum should be erased and the guild leader won't be allowed to apply for another guild sub forum for a while. At the moment of this post there are a bunch of guilds that aren't active in game at all, or have already been disbanded.

A second idea would be to give guild sub forums to the active guilds. Based on member count, member activity and overall presence on the server. Maybe something like: Must have 30 members. No more than 10 member can have a "last online" older than 15 days. I am unsure how the overall presence would be.. maybe player choice? Votes? Ideas would be nice.

Third idea: Psychyn's idea, I like it and I guess it could work as well. I can hardly understand why it would require admin power to change stuff there.

Let's remember that guilds took a huge hit when Cataclysm was introduced, lots of members simply got other ideas of characters to roleplay and they left their old characters behind, pushing a bunch of guilds into inactivity.

I don't understand why there's such a strife over the whole subject.. it's not like Kretol is running out of memory on the forum host.. or is he?
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#22
I agree with you Sorum, that the matter in a guild forum shouldn't really be so strict, as to me it seems more a way to sort specific guild posts rather than having to sort. HOWEVER, when it comes to how they do application, those are things that they ask---how many members, how many active members, how long has the guild been around, ect.

Problem is, that you cannot predict the future of a guild based on these things. So, even though these questions are asked it doesn't indicate how the guild's health will be in a month. I can see the need for them to try and figure out a method that's more befitting for offering these forums, however, as per typical with CoTH lately I think that the measures right now are a little too strict.

But, considering Grakor and Kretol are the only two that are able to do this, I can see the need for the strictness in this matter. When something is left to only two people, it can be a real pain to do, and can also be really disheartening to go through the effort of making these sub forums to know that they'll only get a little bit of use. It's a catch 22, and my honest suggestion would to be...

Perhaps we should allow the other GM's to be able to make these forums? I know what that means and takes, but honestly the current crew seems like they could be trusted with the responsibility. They do pretty good with the Wiki and the forum aspects they do have control of.

Of course, that's up to Grak and Kretol, but I think that could be a good solution and would restrict the needed strictness and broaden the uses of guild subforums.
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#23
Again, the problem is not that the guild subforums themselves are harming anything. The problem is the work put into them. Potential solutions have to address that.
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#24
That's why I think it'd be good to get more people on it, to disperse the work among more people. Of course, I can see why you don't give that out to everyone, 'cause it can be a messy situation in some cases.

Edit: And of course I'm talking about GM's, not grunts. Hah.
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#25
Why not give that power to edit/modify to the guild master for his subforum? It's not like he is gonna screw up his own guild.. And I don't think there's anything to abuse there.
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#26
They already get that. ^^ When you own a subforum, you are moderator of that. (So you can sticky/delete threads within.) You do not get the admin powers to create/delete the entire subforum however, that's something the Admins must do, which consumes and takes up time they could better spend elsewhere considering the subforums are abandoned in no time again. (With some exceptions.)
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(07-13-2013, 12:20 PM)Psychyn Wrote: They already get that. ^^ When you own a subforum, you are moderator of that. (So you can sticky/delete threads within.) You do not get the admin powers to create/delete the entire subforum however, that's something the Admins must do, which consumes and takes up time they could better spend elsewhere considering the subforums are abandoned in no time again. (With some exceptions.)

Oh.. I got confused, my bad. Well.. I guess Rensin's idea would be the best solution.
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#28
The problem is that Kretol doesn't want to give GMs the ability to create subforums. It's a "all or nothing" kind of thing, and it's one of those things that can do a lot of damage with one wrong click, accidental or otherwise.

I've been querying him about the possibility of allowing GMs to specifically work on the Guild forums, but his responses to me haven't been positive.
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#29
One suggestion/question I have (Kretol is prolly the only one who could answer) is if there is a way to automate the process where making the guild IG automagically creates the forum, and since the account names match the forum names, automatically give the guild leader's account mod privileges? Might be complicated, time consuming, or both, but figured I'd ask! :)
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(07-13-2013, 01:28 PM)Jonoth Wrote: One suggestion/question I have (Kretol is prolly the only one who could answer) is if there is a way to automate the process where making the guild IG automagically creates the forum, and since the account names match the forum names, automatically give the guild leader's account mod privileges? Might be complicated, time consuming, or both, but figured I'd ask! :)

That would require quite a bit of scripting and code writing, something that'd be very, very complicated to do.
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