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The Coinpurse, aka money IC and OOC and stuff liek dat
#1
So I ran into a discussion in GMI about IC money. We discussed on how much money a person would gain a year and how much food costs and how much their expenses are at all(food+water+taxes+other expenses).
Also, how much money does food and water cost, how much would it cost to buy proper food(vegetables+meat+otherstuff). You know, everything about moneyz. So, now, I want -you- to explain your point of view about everything about money that you can think of and post it here, we'll discuss and eventually we may be lucky enough to find a solution that we could take as the server's "official" financial thingy.

Now post.
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#2
The main thing is, is it possible to standardize things like:
Honeymint Teas?
Moonberry Juice?
A cup of warm milk?
A cup of ice-cold milk?
The price of a slave?
The price of the most expensive possible slave?
The average wage of a simple laborer?
The average yearly profit of a farmer perhaps?
How much does a soldier earn?
How much does a high-ranking soldier (Perhaps a captain) earn?
How much would buying a house cost?
Whats the total wealth of an poor noble?
Whats the total wealth of a average noble?
Whats the total wealth of a down-to-luck merchant/noble?
Whats the total wealth of a pretty decent merchant?
Whats the total wealth of a goblin merchant prince, then?
Whats the total wealth of King Varian?
An adventurer, oh gods, an adventurer, does an adventurer really have 3000g IC-ly?
How much gold does it take to build that bridge in Lakeshire?
So how much gold would it take to build that wall outside Stormwind?
An adventurer can build a city, then? (No.)

The idea is, lets say per day of simple fares and meal would cost a simple, average farmer a silver piece. An entire year would cost him three gold and sixty-five silver pieces. How much does he earn? The average lifespan of a human is about 40-50 years, so he would have thirty years earnings. . .At the end of this thirty years, he will have. . .?

In addition to that, the price of food products seem to skyrocket in various places (Northrend, perhaps?), sometimes even up to a hundredfold as compared to a basic meal in Goldshire. Translating this IC means that those soldiers in Northrend is paid almost a hundredtimes that of those soldiers paid guarding Stormwind, and perhaps a few dozen times that of those soldiers paying their lives off against the Burning Legion in the Outlands. The price differences does not seems realistic, hence, IC-ly, are they what they are OOC-ly?

Wealth. Rich characters, poor characters. How rich, and how poor? What goes beyond the lines of "acceptable" to "have a special profile please"? Some characters walk to the bar, and pass a view measly copper piece for a cup of warm milk. Some characters walk to the bar, and pass a few silver pieces. . .For a cup of warm milk. The two look at each other. Awkward.

There are some players RPing businesses, casinoes, or some players who are pirates who own their own ships and have their own crews. So when money becomes an issue IC-ly, in the RP, it starts becoming confusing, as everyone have their own ideas of how much a gold piece really is worth.

So, the question is: How much is a gold piece really worth? Can it buy the world? Or can it barely buy three kittens in Elywnn Forest?
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#3
See, considering that 'things is expensive' on Azeroth and beyond, I'd say that the taxes wouldn't really be high. Though, weapons and armor would, houses, horses and/or other things you can force to run for you. They all would be a lot. My personal opinion in the full tax prices would be around 80 silver for an average family with an average house.

Also, that brings me to another point. The restaurants, taverns, inns and such would be hyper-expensive. Just my point of view, I wish no Trolls to interfere, my gun is loaded in such a case. /reloads
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#4
Well, TBH. Each item has its OOC sell price. I normally guide myself along the lines of that. I wish people would use the Game's OOC money (( Gold, siver, copper )) As IC money. Would actually bring a sense of economics to the server.
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#5
I think Anski's guide outlines things fairly well. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10746

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#6
First, may I direct you all here: http://www.conquestofthehorde.com/forum/...871#p62871
[Bah. Aroes beat me to it!]

As I explained already, this is my personal opinion on how gold works.

To someone who is dirt poor, a gold or two would be a fairly large sum of money. Someone who is say, lower class, but not poor or middle would view a large sum as five or so. Middle class workers would see anything above twenty as a fair amount and to a noble, a gold may be pocket change

A slave may on average cost about 30g and a more expensive and better slave would run about 50g.

A reasonable sum on a bounty may be anywhere from 50 to 200g, depending on what they did and how bad they are wanted dead, not to mention who they make angry.

For food, I'd save a silver or two for a decent sized meal. Simple drinks from about 15copper for your standard water, to 70c-1s for a potent alcoholic drink, to maybe even 50s to a gold for your 'just because I'm a rick jerk' drinks.

Animals and housing? I would say your average one room decent house may run you around...30-50g. Housing is not cheep. A good, sturdy horse may be around 90s, your average horse around 70s, and a weak, untrained one for about 50s. Sheep, pigs and cows perhaps around 20-40s. Then your small critters like dogs and cats anywhere from free to 10s. Chickens and other birds, 50c-5s.

If I remember correctly, 400-500g is what your average noble may have at any given time. A reminder that, if I recall right, a noble requires a special profile. So, if you or someone you've met without a profile is running around with...500 or so gold, I'd take another look. With special profile characters, you can't make them until they have been approved. [I think. Don't quote me on this.]

The value of copper, gold, and silver in the end is up to the players. No one has the same opinion on how much something is worth, and I do not think a standardized guide will come to light anytime in the future. Suggestions yes, but again, whether or not you choose to follow someone's suggestion over another is 100% up to yourself.

I would like to again state this is just what I have personally heard and feel, and thus it may not be the case.

[Edited because Zarquon made sense. Derp.]
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#7
May I add that, if a noble has 500g, he probably can't like what they normally do which is to sip red wine or some expensive, gold-costing drink everyday of his life and enjoy feasts and parties as we tend to portray those nobles to do. A pretty poor noble, I would say. A one room decent house might cost about 60-80g, but that would make a noble living in a mansion pretty impossible, since he have only 500g to spend on a -mansion-, which would be many, many times more then a one room decent house if you go by real-life standards in price comparison.

But, nonetheless, I heard from somewhere that the only platinum piece that exists (1 pp = 1000 gp?), belongs in the hands of Thrall and Varian. Hence, a noble having 500g does seems pretty decent already, anyway. Again, a weird conundrum.
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#8
I always use the dirt-poor version.

For a human commoners
1-2 Silver pieces will feed a family for a day. A drink (ale) in a bar would commonly cost ten coppers and if you buy it from the market it would be even less. Ale would actually be one of the most common drinks.
An average commoner might earn anywhere from 5-15 silver pieces a week. If you earn 5, it might mean you'll have to steal what you can't afford and if you earn 15 or more, well lucky you. It would cost about 7-14 silver pieces to feed a family. Most of the time both mom and dad would work and the kids might earn an extra silver or something.
If a family of four earns say 22 silver a week in total. Dad would earn 10, mom 8 and the kids 2 each as child labour would be quite common. They would have to spend around 12s on food, and maybe 6s on taxes and rent for their home. That will leave them 6 silvers to buy clothing, blankets, flowers and whatever they might need. That might not sound much, but I'd guess you buy a shirt for one or two silver or so.
1 gold would be a small fortune, it means the family will be fed and cared for a month.
Note: Some craftsmen with renown can earn more, much more then this. Say a famous blacksmith or jewelcrafter.

For a guard.
A guard or a soldier might earn a little more than the average commoner say 10-20 silvers for the risk. But bear in mind, it's also likely he'll have to pay repair costs all by himself.

A merchant
Merchants are hard, you have poor merchants and rich merchants. Even a rich merchant can suddenly loose his bussiness and earn nothing. Or he can have a lucky strike and earn a ton of cash. The poorest merchant might earn as much as a simple craftsman say 20s a week, yet a rich merchant might earn 10g a week!

Nobles
Now nobles can earn a lot, anywhere from 1g-5g a week, depending on his holdings. Yet bear in mind Nobles often earn their money by raising tax or selling the harvest from their lands, so their earnings might vary. As Nobles are known as hoarders of cash it's not uncommon for one to have 100g to 500g stored somewhere. He wouldn't have to buy a mansion because he inherits one, the money of the bank would also be the family treasure/fortune.

Note: Because Varian has 1 platina coin doesn't mean that's -all- he has...
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It does, however, mean that he probably does not have more then 1999 gold, since he would then have 2 platinum pieces. Or at least, that is a fair assumption; that it would be converted if he has the chance simply to proclaim that he has one-upped Thrall, perhaps gaining a political/economical edge the next time they meet.
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#10
Nah he could have more, a platina bar...or coin is a fairly useless thing as you would have to change it to buy anything. Besides a pile ofr 1000g looks far better than one coin. the Platina coin might also be a limited edition thing...or it might not exist at all.
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Regardless, another question which continues to bug me; do nobles require a special character profile? How about merchants, then, who is equally or more wealthy then a noble? So the special character profile is to justify perhaps the "Lord" in front of the name? For my many questions, I would like to sincerely apologise in advance.
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#12
Yes, they require a special profile.
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#13
Well, those with political power and land holdings would.
I think minor nobles, those with just money to their name, don't.
Not sure and don't quote me on it though.
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#14
I will remember to rescale my outrageous claim of character wealth when I get home.
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#15
I actually calculated most of the WoW money sets that we already have, like 15 copper for a cheap alcholic beverage.

I've found that it would resemble a 1940-1950 money system, with silver being a dollar. 1Copper=1Penny, 1Gold=100 Dollars.


U.S. Standards of course
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