Conquest of the Horde

I was under the impression warlocks used fel fire, hence the green fire spells such as Chaos Bolt.

(07-29-2011, 06:25 AM)Revenant Wrote: [ -> ]I was under the impression warlocks used fel fire, hence the green fire spells such as Chaos Bolt.

It is. Which is why, when a DH sees his Fel Fire, his kill mode engages. They aren't trained to have exceptions, especially when it comes to someone using Fel. "You use Fel? Hold still while I kill you," not "You use Fel? Let me get to know you and train you as a Demon Hunter."

(07-29-2011, 06:45 AM)muhaha8 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2011, 06:25 AM)Revenant Wrote: [ -> ]I was under the impression warlocks used fel fire, hence the green fire spells such as Chaos Bolt.

It is. Which is why, when a DH sees his Fel Fire, his kill mode engages. They aren't trained to have exceptions, especially when it comes to someone using Fel. "You use Fel? Hold still while I kill you," not "You use Fel? Let me get to know you and train you as a Demon Hunter."

If that was the case, two demon hunters that met would immediately start attacking each other.
If that was the case, the first demon hunter would not have allied himself with exiled demons to protect himself from Kil'Jaeden.

Demon Hunters are first and foremost enemies of the legion. An uncorrupt warlock isn't an ally of the legion, and even some warlocks (like Sin'dorei warlocks) wouldn't be allies of the legion either; A Demon Hunter doesn't have to senselessly mow down hordes of potential allies "Jus' cuz".

A DH's tattoos glow with the Fel magic within them, to another DH's eyes. That would signify, from one to the other, of their Demon Hunterness. It's shaky, neutral territory. If one succumbed to the Fel, he'd be killed by the other. Otherwise, no.

Illidan succumbed to the corruption and became a full-fledged Demon. He's different.

They aren't, first and foremost, enemies of the Legion. They're enemies of -Fel.- They see no difference between a Fel-corrputed Warlock and an Uncorruted one. They are both users of an Art they set out to destroy entirely, which makes them targets.

I've always been under the impression that warlocks have... you know purely fire spells? That's the reason why mages of Dalaran prefer Ice, because fire is associated with warlocks and they specialize in it. More or less, every fire spell a warlock casts is not fel-fire. Some, as the spells read, are just fire. And infact, chaos bolt is the only green one..

Second, I'd assume uncorrupted warlocks aren't simply fire mages because they are still warlocks. As in, still capable of casting other warlock spells or summoning demons. They remain uncorrupted through means I can't find any specifics for. Either they are bodily uncorrupted or just mentally resistant.

If you use wowwiki or wowpedia they both say demon hunters are former warriors. Not sure how trustworthy they are or how dead set that is but just making mention of it.

Finally, in regards to

(07-29-2011, 07:21 AM)muhaha8 Wrote: [ -> ]They aren't, first and foremost, enemies of the Legion. They're enemies of -Fel.- They see no difference between a Fel-corrputed Warlock and an Uncorruted one. They are both users of an Art they set out to destroy entirely, which makes them targets.

I'm not sure where this is blatantly stated. I've always thought they were enemies of the Legion first over all. If there is a source I apologize but otherwise sounds like we trample on an issue of character motivation. Whether I became a Demon Hunter because 'I saw the Legion destroy my home' or 'because I saw fel magic corrupt my land.'

Though honestly, on the latter I find it entirely hypocritical that you start using fel in order to destroy all fel. In that situation there -is- no difference between 'yourself' and 'them,' both sides use fel for a goal and DHs come out blah to me. They wouldn't -be- any different than their enemies (instead of just -appearing- no different). I find it entirely sensible, and adding to the 'martyrs' that Demon Hunters are, that they wish to fight fire with fire against the Legion. There is a difference there, you are the force of 'right' who sacrifices everything to destroy this 'wrong' that is the Legion. Your enemy doesn't have the same morality you do, yatah yatah yatah. This way, people don't see you as any different yet you know you are different, which I always thought was a focal point in the DH personality.

Is fel probably still an enemy? Sure why not. But I think they are more complex characters than that (or I hope). It isn't all 'me destroy fel, me destroy it good.' That sounds more like a cardboard cut out version give someone when you don't feel like explaining things.

To just give another, counter-claim? Idk, Demon Hunters I believe swear to never stop hunting demons. Now, someone having fel on them. Doesn't naturally make them a demon. So all-in-all, demon hunters I believe don't have to be. 'Kill anything with fel.' But, 'Kill anything demon-like.'

So bottom line it seems the forum has come to is that a Un-corrupted warlock should be able to become a Demon hunter like any other would be able to. Sould this be made official or will we stick to what we have on the Wiki?

Well if Demon Hunters were hunters of the fel they'd be called Fel Hunters.

Demon Hunters hunt demons. Whether they associate everyone who uses the fel as evil and allies of demons is different for each hunter.

:P

Warlocks are pretty much Demon Hunters in their own right:

They can Sense Demons, Fel-Sworn and other such Felly stuff - without having to cut out their eyes.

They can Metamorphosis.

They can immolate. Themselves, or melee weaponry.

They can use tainted fire spells(Fel-fire, Shadowflame, etc.)

The only thing that DHs can do that they can't is Mana Burn, but they can Drain Mana and Life respectively.

But even more-so, Warlocks are incredibly well-geared to fighting demons: They can banish them, bind them and command them. Up against a threat you simply can't manage? Force them out of the way for the time being and retreat only to return when you're stronger/have more friends.

/snicker. I should know... I've played a Warlock that fights the Legion for over a year now.

You can fight fire with fire.

...Also, Illidan started out as a Druid, yes, but then he wasn't anything but a Sorcerer until he became a DH. He was one of the first NElves that haven't become Satyr to mess with Fel. Therefore, he was also this world's first Night Elf Warlock(Xavius and the Satyr excluded, of course).

So, if Illy, the first DH was a 'Lock, who are we to stop other 'locks from walking the path? Warlocks don't have to associate with the Legion. They can utterly hate demons and hunt them effectively.

(07-29-2011, 06:45 AM)muhaha8 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2011, 06:25 AM)Revenant Wrote: [ -> ]I was under the impression warlocks used fel fire, hence the green fire spells such as Chaos Bolt.

It is. Which is why, when a DH sees his Fel Fire, his kill mode engages. They aren't trained to have exceptions, especially when it comes to someone using Fel. "You use Fel? Hold still while I kill you," not "You use Fel? Let me get to know you and train you as a Demon Hunter."

i always thought that a demon hunter wouldn't ask if they used fel, i always assumed that the second that chaos bolt flew off, the warlock in question would find their head suddenly missing from their shoulders and rolling off a few feet downhill. but thats just me

A Demon Hunter knows if one uses Fel just by looking. Of course, Demon Hunters may ask where the Fel came from, but it depends on which Demon Hunter you're talking about.

They've blindsight and blindsense, meaning they can see in 360 degrees around them with grayscale, and if I remember reading right then motion is blurred. Fel radiates as a 'profane' energy that is bright against the harsh background, presumably.