Conquest of the Horde

Before I start...Lol-cats


Oddly enough, this thread has made me think of what I've said these past few weeks, of the snide remarks and rude things I've said to people just because they treat rp in a different manner. Right now I feel like a little of a prick for holding fixed views against people who didn't deserve opinions being formed. Hopefully I'll be able to change my view and stop being a snappy little dog hurling out my opinons without any grace. But now, my thoughts on the server:

To start with, I'd like to point people to this...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...%20on%20me

Anyone remember this slogan? I do...For better and for worse. In my time on this server, I'll admit I've done a fair bit of 'CotHing' on peoples characters, role play ideas...and Shadow Priest Draenei. I've also been proven wrong, provided honest reasoning and seen for myself that certain character molds can work...most particularlly for the latter thing I mentioned 'CotHing' on. To get to the base of what I want to rant on about though...as many people have said above me...People will never change...Greatly.

I've taken to imaging CotH as two camps. Both greet newcomers with open arms, are mostly made of genrally nice people when you get to know them and both stride to have fun in warcraft rp. There's a problem though...both camps have different and ultimately from a outsiders perspective (Not mine...I'm kinda fully bias towards one of the camps...) perfectly valid means of enjoying rp, that means being one that members of the other 'camp' tend to look down upon, or disagree with. To go for blunt terms, One of these 'camps' is often referred to be 'lolcoth' by the other camp, which I beleive has been referred to as 'LoreNazis' in the past although that is quite a extreme term.

Will either of these camps fall apart? No. Do I want that to happen anyway? After some thought I say no also. How should this matter of the topic be solved then? Some awareness to what is happening on the server but that should always be took with a pinch of salt. I'll use the aptly stated Tauren/Gnome Romance, for the more lore loving amongst us, know of it and should you encounter the pair ICly simply say something along the lines of 'My character may dislike yours, because..." And as for those that like to do rp and all of the actions as it happens, just remember that people will disagree with your characters, because of the lore of the Warcraft setting.

Anyway, thats all I have to say really on this matter, so I'm going to toss the flame shield away and dump some more lol-cats...


Incidently...shameless bump for Flammos' super awesome 'because' guide...read it! http://www.conquestofthehorde.com/Thread...#pid222811

As long as someone can justify what they can do (within the confines of the rules), they can do it.

When they can not justify these things, that's when either help them justify it, or outright say 'no' to the character.

Instead of saying 'NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT' or 'OMG DON'T COTH ON ME BRO', compromise.

To those who are 'DO NOT DEVIATE FROM STEREOTYPES', I'd suggest dropping that point of view. Be more accepting of the unexpected. And if someone's -seriously- just outright breaking lore with his or her character/gives you the 'BECAUSE' explanation, please tell a GM. We'll handle it.

To those who are 'OMG THE LORE IS FOR CHUMPS, I DO WHAT I WANT', I'd suggest dropping that point of view. Understand while that the GMs are accepting of unusual and foreign concepts, this does not mean we allow lore-breaking characters. If you've a really weird character, be prepared to explain it. 'BECAUSE' is not a valid explanation.

At the end of the day...I have learned to stop caring so much about other people's characters. If you are changed or bothered by them that much....Well, ignore them.

Ohohohooo! Seems like we're having all sortsa fun up in here.

Opinions, opinions, opinions. What would we do without you? Yes, lore is an important base for your character. For instance, if you're an Orc, your childhood would be much more different from that of a Gnome. Lore gives us the history of that race as well as our culture. But here comes my wonderful opinions!

To say that everyone must follow a stereotype is outrageous. If I myself followed the stereotype of what you perceived a Louisianian to be, you'd probably expect... Well... The horrid redneck that spouts out deformed French while wallowing around in the bayou and playing a banjo. While, yes, I have seen individuals like that here, they are actually very few in numbers. There are many factors that are in our lives, as well as our character's "lives" as we were raised.

Now I'm sure you're thinking "Well, Sachiko, you fat lazy idiot, we're talking about WoW Lore and its importance in character development and such. Not your stupid background." Alright, if that's the way you wanna play it, allow me to use a few of my characters for example. Brace for some fun stuff right here.

Lets start with my more well known character Leron. He grew up with nobility. Lots of money, could do as he pleased, and darn well did as he pleased. Because of this, he tends to be very headstrong and will do what he wants. He fought in the Second War alongside humans and sees them as capable fighters. He may be a teensy wary of them at first, but he is willing to trust some of them.

Now all of you lore buffs will say "Hold the phone, Belves are supposed to hate humans for betraying them." Well, yes, he does keep that factor in mind. It's why he's reluctant at first. But if you want to get into cross-race relations, you can heave a sigh of relief. He sticks to his own.

Next example. Doran. He's near the opposite of Leron. He lost his parents at a young age and raised himself on the streets in poverty. He has seen some generous acts towards him and will do his best to be as kind and caring back as he can. However, he is young and very gullible as well as impressionable. He had no formal schooling and is therefore ignorant to many of the racial dislikes the belf community shares.

And now for the one that I've pretty much retired from our lore buffs and out of realizing my idiocy with this one. Rinwen/Sumire. My first character. Oh, the rebellious little nelf she was. I honestly don't know much of what I was thinking when I wrote her history. T'was quite nubbish, but she did get approved, so quit yer yackin' over it. Now to explain her cross-factional love affair. She is extremely young for a nelf being only 125. Her mom taught her what she could and her father was rarely seen. Well, one could say "Oh boy, daddy issues!" if they wanted, but it's not really the case. Her case was, in fact, her being too curious for her own good. She liked to stick her nose in the business of the other races simply because she wanted to know why her kind hated the others as they did. Quite frankly, she learned her lesson. Now she sticks to disliking the other races and sitting around all day in Ashenvale.

Just because a character at the time being doesn't follow lore personality wise doens't mean they won't later on. Or maybe those hard-headed lore following characters might actually slowly change their view and become a SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE one day.

tl;dr
Character's history impacts personality. Personality can change. Character development is all that maters.... In my opinion of course.

The argument will likely last on, but it's been brought up before in older threads. Each time though, the topic eventually calmed down and people RPed and generally got along. Ignore it, if you want.

It's a server rule to tolerate people, not to love them and agree 100% of the time. No two people will agree on everything... but it's still easy to get along if we all voice our opinions (and grievances) in a calm and understanding manner.

(01-04-2012, 09:45 AM)Cressy Wrote: [ -> ]At the end of the day...I have learned to stop caring so much about other people's characters. If you are changed or bothered by them that much....Well, ignore them.

(01-04-2012, 07:24 AM)Rigley Wrote: [ -> ]And perhaps, Uguu, but what if that starts becoming a majority for a player? It's rather sad when a 'normal' group of characters cannot be found, or a 'normal' character cannot fit in with a group.

Ignoring and avoiding a character one finds displeasing to role play with is/can be a deal harder than one makes it out to be. They tend to be everywhere, since they tend to lack limits on who they will interact with and where.

And that leaves us lore-strict folk in the dust of OOCC.

"Make RP, don't wait on people." Well...sort of hard to make RP when the rebellious majority isn't interested.

I will say I am highly appreciative of my little crowd of lore nerds. Don't know where I'd be without y'all.

And what Sachiko said. Well thought out development will get your farther than "because" or "I like this" or "this is my style".

I feel like a lot of people are taking this way too personally.

I never once meant people who ask about the reasoning behind the characters unique views and personality. I mean the actual people who do infact say "No this would not happen."

And for most things, everything even, a little explanation and background is needed for understanding. But if my character loves a race that according to Lore they shouldn't?

Let's use Aadora as an example... even though it would never happen because she in fact hates Sin'Dorei.

If she loved one... and I was asked why. I'm not going to freak out. I will tell you
"She sees herself as a shaman more than a Draenei, and this specific Blood Elf reminded her that not all of them are bad."

I shouldn't need more reason than that. This post? It is to discourage those that would actually say that is not enough. Maybe it is a little and could use a line or two more, but I don't need a four page essay on why my character does not have normal beliefs.

And yes you all are right, it goes both ways. Aadora for one is actually one of my most normal characters. She hates Sin'Dorei for causing the death of her parents. Through this feeling she hates the Orcs for making her people before her feel even worse than this. She is a Shaman and Follows Shamanism very closely. The only different thing is that she does not see Deathknights and Forsaken as an abomination.

The reasoning for this?

She met some Forsaken and Deathknights, and while scared at first... got to know them and found out those specific ones are nice people. How she found this out? She is too nice to simply say "Go away I don't want to be around you" Which led her to talking with them.

That is my reasoning behind her slight difference from Lore Generality on Draenei.

Something to take into account, Aadora, is that many of us have been here for a number of years. Like it's been said many times over, this thread/topic has come up time and time again, over and over. Some people get to the point of not caring, others get to the point of /ughraeg when it comes up again. xD

(01-04-2012, 09:51 AM)SachikoMaeda Wrote: [ -> ]To say that everyone must follow a stereotype is outrageous.

Just to point out on this one line-- I don't believe everyone is saying you should follow a stereotype per se. Think of it this way.

I'm from the south. Alabama, specifically. The common man around my neighborhood drinks, smokes, speaks with a drawl, has most likely been either in the field of mechanics or some kind of construction, and is likely largely conservative.

I personally avoid smoking and drinking (I'm addicted to cherry coke, though), have no discernible accent in comparison, work with computers and the software on them, and have quite a few differing political views. Does that make me unrealistic for the place I've grown up in? Nah. But while I differ in many ways I'm also similar to many of the people around here; My diet is largely the same. I commonly can join a conversation on the local happenings if I need to; I can talk about how great it is that flannel was invented and how nummy deer tastes, if I so desire. Heck, I can even slip into a bit of an accent when I talk to my relatives for long periods. The point is that while I didn't take everything from my surroundings when I grew up, there's enough of it there that I can fit in and be noted as being raised in the area.

And that's all that many people are asking for. Not for you to be a machine and conform wholly to elven standards, dressing in red, having blond hair, being a mage and usually snooty, etc; but at the baseline you should take some bits and pieces of the race to heart with the character. Perhaps your blood elf keeps a bit of the racial superiority, even if minor; perhaps he just keeps the general love for luxury, or interest in magical things. Perhaps he's taken the redemption of his race's image to heart as a Blood Knight.

Hopefully my point is understandable. I've never asked a person to wholly embody a stereotype, and I don't think anyone wishes that extreme to happen. Because if you follow the stereotype to the letter you're just an NPC, wandering around in your NPC life. And unless your name is Nondrick or Nordrick that's probably not going to be the most interesting character to interact with. Variety is welcome, but it should be grounded (at least to some extent) in what the race represents already.

...Typed more than I meant to. Ah well.

Moderation. It's our friend.

Meh.

I say, let people play how they want. (Within reason, of course.)

If an orc loves a draenei, go right ahead. Just, pray you don't run into another orc/draenei who believe that the courtship between you two is worse than murdering children. ( For example; I have a character who would think that. )

I recommend that you be wary of the consequences. I would also recommend that if that is your choice, you keep it to yourself and stray from any locations that would have a lot of people who would dislike it. If you're open about loving a draenei in Orgrimmar, I think you would find yourself beat to a pulp by the bar you're in.

Just my thoughts. /shrug

Well, gee. I guess I'd better finish Astus's new profile and pray his reasons for being a blood elf necromancer are good enough, xD!

Going to do that now...

<.<
YES, REIGEN. I'M GOING TO FINISH IT.

I very briefly read over the first few posts, and from what I gather, this is something about how races should generally act (though there are always exceptions!)
My understanding of races:
Belf: We're better than you and we know it.
Orc + Troll: Stoopid alliance and elfies!
Humans + Drawrf + Gnome: Rar I hate the horde!
Undead: I hate things that are still alive!
Tauren: Mooo - I mean, I love nature.
Nelf: I love nature and hate orcs and I prance around Ashenvale wearing barely any clothes. Also, male druids are the norm and female druids are looked upon with suspicion.
Draenei: I zhink we are all good, ja? Ze Draenei embrace ze Light and Ze Naaru!

I will be kind.

Do what you want. ( within the realms of the Terms and Agreements )

No matter if you're abiding by the lore or barely adhering to it, someone is going to complain about something you do. It doesn't matter whose right. The reason I stay on this server, the reason I make storylines is because I enjoy writing and the RP with my friends is fun. I enjoy the creativity, the imagination, and the authentic stories that unfold from natural reaction. Its kind of like anti- social experiment. If it stops becoming this way because So-so is butthurt by my character or people don't 'Understand where I'm coming from' Tough. If it becomes a larger problem than the RP is fun then I will cease to play. If GM's do not confront you then continue.

If one asks another to 'justify' their character I see it as an insult. In the sense of one asking another to show their credibility, or reasoning for doing something. Which is a logical question, yet I don't feel its one we as 'The other RPer' have the right to ask. If one wishes to portray a character a certain way, from their own imagination to have fun in their own time. Then who am I to say why they can or cannot? Because of the way I interpret the sketchy source material? We've all passed the introductions that our staff oversaw. If you got passed them, you get pass me. That doesn't mean you have to like their char or RP, or concept but I don't think we should pass Judgement. I've been questioned on alts and have seen many others questioned most always in the OOC zone. I don't understand the audacity of people to criticize someone going to Roleplay for their character and RP but aren't RPing themselves. If you are interested in a character and wish to see how it makes sense RP with them to find out. Asking to me is rude, if you don't have 5 minutes to feel out their RP its not that big of a deal.

(01-04-2012, 12:11 PM)ThePharaoh Wrote: [ -> ]I will be kind.

Do what you want. ( within the realms of the Terms and Agreements )

No matter if you're abiding by the lore or barely adhering to it, someone is going to complain about something you do. It doesn't matter whose right. The reason I stay on this server, the reason I make storylines is because I enjoy writing and the RP with my friends is fun. I enjoy the creativity, the imagination, and the authentic stories that unfold from natural reaction. Its kind of like anti- social experiment. If it stops becoming this way because So-so is butthurt by my character or people don't 'Understand where I'm coming from' Tough. If it becomes a larger problem than the RP is fun then I will cease to play. If GM's do not confront you then continue.

If one asks another to 'justify' their character I see it as an insult. In the sense of one asking another to show their credibility, or reasoning for doing something. Which is a logical question, yet I don't feel its one we as 'The other RPer' have the right to ask. If one wishes to portray a character a certain way, from their own imagination to have fun in their own time. Then who am I to say why they can or cannot? Because of the way I interpret the sketchy source material? We've all passed the introductions that our staff oversaw. If you got passed them, you get pass me. That doesn't mean you have to like their char or RP, or concept but I don't think we should pass Judgement. I've been questioned on alts and have seen many others questioned most always in the OOC zone. I don't understand the audacity of people to criticize someone going to Roleplay for their character and RP but aren't RPing themselves. If you are interested in a character and wish to see how it makes sense RP with them to find out. Asking to me is rude, if you don't have 5 minutes to feel out their RP its not that big of a deal.

Just leaving this here...