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Druids speaking whilst in Animal form?
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Dilly Wrote:Treants and Moonkin do not speak, but understand Darnassian. However, shapeshifted Druids speaking to respective animals ("cat form" to sabers, etc.) is entirely possible, in my opinion.

I'd say no to telepathy. But that's just me.

And there already are Druid prestiges. This, for example.

I would think that no matter what you say in "bear" to a bear, they wouldn't understand you at all except most likely only the tone in your voice such as "angry roar" or "gentle purr". They are animals after all and frankly, stupid as heck.
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Wise words said by everyone, and I agree.
But still, anyone with me for the telekinesis? sounds good If you ask me :P

Also, Maybe you guys are right, druids are never going to get the ability to speak in animal forms, But I love Piroska's idea :D
And just to clear this out with you guys, in animal form, We are actually ourself with a different body, so we can listen and understand, but not necessarily say it, maybe some words in some forms, but not that often.

So it looks like I'm going to be watching a lot of animal planet :P
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One of my favorite things as a roleplayer is research. I know that it may sound really strange to people, but I enjoy learning and I enjoy applying that knowledge in what I (and my characters!) do. So, when I rolled my human paladin, I spent some time researching the process by which an individual became a knight and what they did. When I rolled my troll priest (a jungle troll not a member of the Darkspear Tribe), I did a lot of research on tribal societies in different parts of the world, their mysticism, and the role that witch doctors and spirit men play in them. My Forsaken warlock suffers from what probably is persistent dissociative disorder; I have spent quite a bit of time learning more about what this is and also looking for first-hand accounts from real people who suffer from this.

In writing, many authors spend quite a bit of time doing research so that they can accurately portray what is in their books. This is true regardless of what genre they write. Now, we're not professionals nor are we expected to hold to the same standards, but I do find it beneficial to learn these kinds of things so that we can better portray our characters in roleplay. Even more important is the fact that this research can potentially lead to new twists in or opportunities for roleplay.

I'll be very honest, embarrassing as it may be. When our druids were training in various forms throughout the course of a week or two, I did have videos bookmarked on Firefox that portrayed similar types of animals fighting. Unfortunately, this also included stumbling across this video, which resulted in moments of uncontrollable laughter when Krilari's character failed a roll (I think he rolled a natural 1) and was distracted because he was too busy watching an eagle in the sky.


Manufreak101 Wrote:But still, anyone with me for the telekinesis? sounds good If you ask me :P
I'm loathe to comment, but you have used this term a number of times in this discussion and I'm not sure if it's intentional. Telepathy is used to refer to communication that occurs beyond one of the five senses (typically mind-to-mind). Telekinesis is influencing the world with the mind alone (typically by moving objects).

I think you mean the former and not the latter, but I'm not certain.

Regarding the use of telepathy, in general I believe that many people frown upon it during roleplay. This is because it does have a rather large potential for misuse -- which I'm sure many of us have encountered roleplaying on retail, where the standards are not as stringent. If I can communicate with you using my mind (and without a medium), the next logical step is that I can probably understand what you're trying to think back at me. If I can understand that, then it would also make sense that I can understand other minds who may not be communicating with me. In time, it often progresses to actually manipulating other people's thoughts or actions. Always a no-no.

It is also an ability that is reliant on the individuals that roleplay with a telepath. If I roleplay a character with telepathy, I need other people to be able to communicate with me. Their players also must be willing to do so. If they choose not to allow me to communicate mind-to-mind or understand other people's thoughts, my efforts to be a telepath are stunted.

I did manage to inadvertently apply telepathy with one of my characters on retail. My perky priestess, Csilla Kovács, engaged in a lot of in-character world PvP. One of my favorite tactics to use (and one that, sadly, is very underutilized) is Mind Vision. While attempting to search for infiltrators in various Alliance holdings, I'd essentially periodically stop what I was doing, do a quick /tar name, and use Mind Vision. The interesting part of this was that one of my frequent targets ended up deciding that the two of us had built some kind of mental rapport as a result; an intangible bond that, while it didn't allow for communication, allowed us to be able to sense when we were in proximity with one another and also strong emotions.

It was his idea, but I thought that it was pretty nifty and decided to collude with him. It also provided a fun twist to roleplaying my character; my perky human priestess was somehow tied to a tauren death knight, resulting in all sorts of unhappiness on her part. Not to mention the mocking she got from her friends about "dead cow babies".
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#19
Yeah, putting research into what a character is like will really enhance the Roleplay Experience, it can make it more worth it, more fun,and even make you look like an expert and finally even give you some role play ideas.

And that vid was hilarious, who knows, I may teach myself to use Kung Fu in my bear form :P :P :P
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Manufreak101 Wrote:Wise words said by everyone, and I agree.
But still, anyone with me for the telekinesis? sounds good If you ask me :P

Also, Maybe you guys are right, druids are never going to get the ability to speak in animal forms, But I love Piroska's idea :D
And just to clear this out with you guys, in animal form, We are actually ourself with a different body, so we can listen and understand, but not necessarily say it, maybe some words in some forms, but not that often.

So it looks like I'm going to be watching a lot of animal planet :P
you can definately understand all the things others say.
but most likely it is "kill that bear!! it is in the city!" XD
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Wow comes up alot. Last time, we drew to the conclusion that they cannot verbally communicate due to the vocal chords of a beast not being the same as that of a man. And so the beasts are incapable of making the same sounds. And if you RP it that your character is capable of just transofrming the vocal chords of the beast, into those of a man while in beast form, then by extension you would be able to transform limbs, etc, into those of animals and you'd become impossibly hard to kill in battle. So no, not really. Also the size of a mans and animals vocal chords are different, and would cause the druid no end of pain if they even attempted it. Keep things like this to the Archdruids, yeah?

Ok then, telepathy. This sort of thing, after research, is something that can only be done to one person, and nobody else would be able to hear it. So basically, it's just a /whisper. And I, personally, get really annoyed when people do that in RP, because it cuts out some people from the action, because they're left staring at their screen thinking "hmmm, I wonder what they're talking about". In real life, when people whisper while in your presence you get annoyed, because most people presume the whisper to be about them. Also, the other character, as Piroska said, would have to have an aptitude for telepathy as they'd have to be able to understand the person which could lead to no end of troubles. Ok, so the person could talk back, but still, it'd get quite annoying over time.

What do I do when I RP my Druid? When in beast form, he doesn't talk. He signals using his paws, or crude drawings on the ground (in the dirt, obviously). While in his natural Tauren form, he speaks normally. If theres a message you need to get across, just shift back. People are going to be intimidated by a beast anyway, and you'll be making them more comfortable speaking to them face to face. So, no cities while in animal form except for Darnassus. Yes, not Thunder Bluff because that's a city of hunters, and there is much less focus on animals being ALIVE in that city. You'd expect to be shot, and so you'd turn back into your druid form, and then be looked down at, the guard or hunter would shrug, and walk away. Expect the same in any city except for Darnassus, and maybe Shattrath's Lower City.
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#22
My opinion would be that the animal forms can't speak, but the tree form can...Which is strange...Cause they turn into a tree....But ancients of war/lore ect. Can speak.....I dunno..

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Vagabond Wrote:My opinion would be that the animal forms can't speak, but the tree form can...Which is strange...Cause they turn into a tree....But ancients of war/lore ect. Can speak.....I dunno..

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There's a BIG difference between Treants and Ancients.
Ancients have been around before any race in WoW was and is generally something nightelves workship,
Treants are just trees brought to life :P
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#24
According to the RPGbook they can't talk. I've seen a comic with Broll Bearmantle shapeshifted into a bird, with a man (I think it's Varian) sitting on him. The guy says "Oh, I wish your animal forms could talk!"

Now, perhaps changing something in your body while in your "form" might work, but it is unnatural, thus frowned upon by druids.

As for the Treant/Moonkin, ICly druids can not even turn into them(They aren't animals, they wouldn't have an animal totem), so I doubt they could talk.

Edit: Found the piece of comic. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2758/comicpage.jpg
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When you escort a druid in bear form he speak to you several times. Quest in Ashenvale.
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Bovel Wrote:When you escort a druid in bear form he speak to you several times. Quest in Ashenvale.
Wow Blizz is soo stupid in this area,
Why can't they make it more clear?
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Just read my WoWRPG book. says in there that you cannot speak while transformed, unless your speaking with animals of your species.
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Ben Wrote:What do I do when I RP my Druid? When in beast form, he doesn't talk. He signals using his paws, or crude drawings on the ground (in the dirt, obviously). While in his natural Tauren form, he speaks normally.

I think this sums it up well. But to put my point across...

Telepathy would mean constantly /w to people, which would get annoying if you had to do it to multiple people, and I have never seen any proof of telepathy amongst druids. And, of course, we should look at animals as similar to the animals on Earth, as they're based off of them. A cat cannot talk as it doesn't have the vocal cords, etc, but parrots manage fine. A moonkin looks like it has a beak, but for the sake of keeping things simple, I'd say that no druid in any animal form can speak.

As it was already stated, on WC3, the druids didn't speak in their forms. And it wasn't actually too long ago that in retail WoW, you COULDN'T talk to NPCs in a shape-shifted form. My rule was, if I can't talk to an NPC because an error message pops up saying "You can't do that in this form.", then you can't do it to PCs. I assume they changed it to make it easier for people, so they don't need to keep shifting all the time. But it was there to begin with, and it was in there for at least a year or two, so it intentional.

Lastly, it's really good fun roleplaying as a druid in a form. People shouldn't want to talk in a form, because it makes being that form pretty pointless.

What's more fun? This...

Warrior: "Hey, should we go kill that orc?"
Cat-form: /e retracts his claws and groans

Or...

Warrior: "Hey, should we go kill that orc?"
Cat-form: "No."

And, as it was already said, you can always just shift out and start talking as per usual.
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#29
To go with what Garyl said.

I don't believe that telepathy is possible for druids, I am not 100 percent on this so don't quote me. In my honest opinion it should only be an ability that a powerful Warlock or maybe Mage could do.

Also, Blizzard did really mess with the idea of Druids in their forms talking, in the beginning they made it so you couldn't giving you the idea that druids can't talk in their forms. But then make quests with druids in forms talking to you, so yes it is a touchy subject, with lots of changes and perspectives.

One more thing to add. I've never done it, so I can't say. But RPing a Druid doing constant emotes to express yourself without using words seems like a much more creative way to "speak" in your forms. Use body language and expressions to let people know how you feel, rather than those oh so dreadful "Yes" "No" responses that somewhat kill the conversation.

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Alright. So to begin one of the big differences between Arcane and Divine magic is that Divine magic is not malleable when it comes to nature. You must work with what you have. What I`m saying is basically that if you`re going to transform into a bear, you`re going to be a bear. There is nothing more, or less to it. You can not add wings to the bear, because in nature bears do not have wings. Nor vocal cords. You can not manipulate nature the way Arcane magic can.

In regard to telepathy, Druids shapeshifted may only speak in grunts, groans, roars and whatnot. a druid may understand these grunts and groans, along with a beastmaster and hunter*. The only telepathy spell is an Arcanist spell. It is as followed.
Quote:Telepathic Bond
Divination
Level: Arc 5
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Targets: You plus 1 willing creature/3 levels, no two of which can be
more than 30 ft. apart
Duration: 10 min./level (D)
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: No
You forge a telepathic bond among yourself and a
number of willing creatures, each of whom must have
an Intellect score of 3 or higher. Each creature included
in the link is linked to all the others. The creatures can
communicate telepathically through the bond regardless
of language. No special power or infl uence is established
as a result of the bond. Once the bond is formed, it
works over any distance (although not from one plane
to another).
If desired, you may leave yourself out of the telepathic
bond forged. You must make this decision at the time of
casting.
Telepathic bond can be made permanent with a
permanency spell, though it only bonds two creatures per
casting of permanency.
Material Component: Pieces of eggshell from two
different kinds of creatures.

It makes mention in the RPG that Druids can not speak while in animal form, refer to link above.

Also this. (At first glance, this scared the shit out of me.)
Quote:Natural Spell
[General]
You can cast spells while in a wild shape.
Prerequisites: Spt 13, wild shape ability.
Benefi t: You can complete verbal and somatic
components of spells while in a wild shape. You substitute
various noises and gestures for the normal verbal and
somatic components of a spell.
You can also use any material components or focuses
you possess, even if such items are melded within your
current form. This feat does not permit the use of magic
items while you are in a form that could not ordinarily
use them, and you do not gain the ability to speak while
in a wild shape.

And yes, during Pre-BC and BC you were not allowed to speak to quest givers. This was changed because of the QQ PvEers made.

An NPC spoke in game, you say.

Well I have no come across any, at all, ever, none.

In all, use your common sense. Can a bear or cat talk.


No.


Can a druid who is shifted as a bear or cat talk.


No.

To be blunt.

No.
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