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Jerry Springer
#1
This is a post, not to appeal for an unbanning, but to warn other users of this server. Hopefully, Kretol will add in a rule that states that if he eavesdrops on private conversations, i.e. "/tells" that, if he does not like what he sees, it can result in a banning.

I was going to IM him (Kretol) about this, but he has me blocked. Then, I figured I'd give this place a heads-up instead.

For those of you who don't know what happened:
Iseult and I were venting. I'm sure many of you have done this before. Iseult is probably the only person on this server I can trust to be THAT open with. This is a good community, but, like with all communities, there's the disgusting underbelly. Some people prefer to keep pent-up about it, and others prefer to vent. I had been up WAY later than I expected, and I tend to vent when groggy. I don't regret it, though. It keeps me at-ease.

Kretol then sent me a tell telling me about how swearwords in tells trigger a cache so he can see a bit of what was being said beforehand. He didn't like what he saw in this private conversation, said he was tired of our hatred and felt like we were doing it to make ourselves feel better, and banned us.

Kretol, of course, took "venting" as "hatred," I remember Kretol since playing on Silver Hand in 2005. He is nice, but if he ever comes off as "too nice," and there is a reason for that. While he can, thank goodness, handle critique, his perception between venting and hatemongering is skewed. There are a lot of people who belive venting IS hatred, and Kretol is one of them.

Hating requires KNOWING. I don't know ANY of you people outside of this server; to hate someone I've never so much as looked into the eyes of would be a waste of both of our times and against my own values, as unconventional as they are these days. All I know is your characters and what you do on the internet.

Sorry, people. I NEED to vent sometimes. I love RPing here for the storylines, but I can't get along with everyone. I would rather vent to someone instead of making pathetic passive-aggressive jabs at people. If any of you are worried about what I say about you in private, then come ask me. Got a problem with me? We'll talk about it. I'm grown up. Things bother me, I vent and I simmer down, and I go on.

To cloak your tells:
Kretol informed me that every time you swear, a small cache is recorded including a few lines of the conversation beforehand and probably after. So, if you say something you don't want the public to see (which is why you're using tells in the first place), and Kretol is online, don't swear. Or, better yet, play Windowed mode and use IM, but I know a lot of people don't like doing this for one reason or another.

Anyway, make of this peice of information what you will while this thread is still visible. English-language private RP servers are VERY rare, and this one is doing considerably well.

Because of where I am in life right now, I didn't plan on sticking around this one for more than a few months, as I'm going to be busy in February. I have been on sick leave, and this was just a small pastime for me.

Unfortunately, this isn't the first RP I've been in where the operator was concerened about privacy. This was a while back over Palace Chat; 1998 stuff. Needless to say, people felt insecure and started to dissapear once he started invading in on private conversations (and this client could listen to them live, as opposed to a temporary cache).

I probably won't be around to see replies, and that's perfectly fine. This thread is mostly to get Kretol to grab his balls and make a rule regarding this privacy act. It's his server and he can do as he likes, but he needs to list whatever he plans on saying is okay, and what is not okay so that people can know what they're getting into when they join CotH.

I can't speak for Iseult entirely except that she took the banning pretty lightly.

And if any of you think I'm lying to make Kretol look bad, please note that I can't make this kind of stuff up, and I would never go out of my way to tell a lie on someone.

You make of this what you will.
#2
You can continue with your emails and IMs to people about how you were mistreated and repressed, I don't really care.
Regardless, you both incited drama across the server. Furthermore, Iseult's little harassing IM to Sersay didn't help her own case. Lastly, I have no qualms with admitting that I -can- (Emphathized because you still seem too dense to realize that I HAVE to be at the server computer across the room at the time some cussing goes on in whispers), and if my attention isn't brought to it, then I'll pretty much miss out on it, since the cache is only temporary.
It's a safeguard against harassment, since there's really nothing else I can go by due to people not being very diligent with screenshots. Lastly, you posting links here on that flamefest hellhole encyclopediadramatica or whatever certainly didn't help your case.

Neither of you seemed to coexist well with others, and simply didn't really belong here, in my opinion.

Edit: Typo
Edit2: Elaborated a bit to prevent things taken out of context
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Try to never just say, "My character isn't interested in that adventure." A lot of people mistake this for good roleplaying, because you are asserting your character's personality. Wrong. Good roleplaying should never bring the game to a screeching halt. One of your jobs as a player is to come up with a reason why your character would be interested in a plot. After all, your personality is entirely in your hands, not the DM's. Come up with a reason why the adventure (or the reward) might appeal to you, no matter how esoteric or roundabout the reasoning. -(Source)
#3
Hey, hey, hey, Kretol, umm other person who I no know... I think the resolution to all................................................................................................................. IS THE DANCE! *Dances* It's Christmas Holiday timeh, let us all be happy... aye? ^_^
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#4
To be fair, I don't know anything about Sersay being harassed by her, and I don't have an ED account (They're pretty hard to get; I've tried). Iseult, on the other hand, is a writer there.

I never said I was mistreated, well, until my privacy was breached. I'm not trying to fish for anyone's sympathy, just letting them know that you use private conversations as a basis to ban.

I stated that I vent so that I don't HAVE to harass. Really, I grew out of harassing people on the internet in High School. As for Iseult, I can't speak for her and I only speak for myself in that post. But, I won't sit here and lie and call her innocent and that she does have ulterior motives. I stuck by her because she was straightforward even if chaotic.

Your conclusion about us (or me at least) unable to coexsist with others on the server should probably left for the individual to decide. Honestly, I didn't come here to meet people OOCly, I came here to meet RPers. Every time I've RPed, I've never felt unwelcomed.

Usually when I spend too much time in a place, things turn stale, I learn more about the people behind the character, I start getting irritated, venting ensues.

But, you're right; I don't belong here! I could go into an epic megalomaniacal dialogue as to why, but wtfever
#5
HEY! HEY You, person I no know, stop it, just calm yerself why? Cause I have just made myself the Lord of all in other words, prepare for le dance...
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Warlord Kron: Horde Warlord
Battlecruiser Captain: Who called in the fleet?
Sir Baldwin: Knight of Stormwind
My Guide to Roleplaying Warfare!
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#6
Quote:Amerason wrote:
HEY! HEY You, person I no know, stop it, just calm yerself why? Cause I have just made myself the Lord of all in other words, prepare for le dance...

lol wth
#7
Exactly... exactly.
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Warlord Kron: Horde Warlord
Battlecruiser Captain: Who called in the fleet?
Sir Baldwin: Knight of Stormwind
My Guide to Roleplaying Warfare!
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#8
My thread got derailed. NICE
#9
I can use anything as a basis for a ban. However, I absolutely detest banning. So much should be realized when I -should- have banned Iseult when she first IMed Sersay as she did, but no, me being too damned nice felt that I should give her another chance.

You two are the only bans I have done. They are the only ones I intend on doing. And as far as privacy, all people have to do is ensure they aren't cussing in their whispers, or if cussing is necessary, simply use party chat or a channel, or even guild. It will make things easier on me, so then if I get a real report, I won't have to worry about potentially seeing a couple whispers in there that had just occurred that aren't relevant to the harassment going on.
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Try to never just say, "My character isn't interested in that adventure." A lot of people mistake this for good roleplaying, because you are asserting your character's personality. Wrong. Good roleplaying should never bring the game to a screeching halt. One of your jobs as a player is to come up with a reason why your character would be interested in a plot. After all, your personality is entirely in your hands, not the DM's. Come up with a reason why the adventure (or the reward) might appeal to you, no matter how esoteric or roundabout the reasoning. -(Source)
#10
OK
#11
I've commented about this in-game, going to comment here.

Oleander especially has had a history of trouble-causing since the server began. To say that she was banned over "a conversation in tells" does not do justice to how much drama and bad attitudes have emanated from her and her clique over the course of the server's history.

My own observation is that these two thrive on OOC drama. On more than one occasion some have gone out of their way to cause drama for its own sake. Many people may not notice this, but everything that goes on behind the scenes is not made public.

Regardless on whether or not Kretol is actually able to tap into certain conversations or not, to assume that he *can't* is fairly absurd, and to talk trash about him at the same time...well. This IS a private server given for free. Kretol has the power to ban people at a whim if he so wishes. We all know that, that's what a private server means.

All that said, to post trash on another site about the server after the ban is the sort of childishness I would have fully expected coming from either.

Make of THAT what you will.
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#12
I guess I do apologize for using the OOC drama in place of Jerry Springer. Granted, I wasn't going around CAUSING it; I sit back and watch and I am entertained just like I was on Silver Hand (SH was far worse, though). Causing it is too high-impact for me, like I said in my other post.
#13
One of my favorite imitations of a typical Jerry Springer dialogue:
*Intermission*
*slap*
'Oh no you di'int!'
*slap slap*
*counter slap*
'B***h you ain't all that'
*slap*
'Your man slept wit me cos I'm ALL woman honey'
*slap slap slap*
'Talk to the hand'
*slap*
*counter slap*
*End Intermission*

This imitation was made essentially describing how this game is.

Edit: Damn BBCodes!
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Need an easy way to host/link files and images? Check this thread!

Try to never just say, "My character isn't interested in that adventure." A lot of people mistake this for good roleplaying, because you are asserting your character's personality. Wrong. Good roleplaying should never bring the game to a screeching halt. One of your jobs as a player is to come up with a reason why your character would be interested in a plot. After all, your personality is entirely in your hands, not the DM's. Come up with a reason why the adventure (or the reward) might appeal to you, no matter how esoteric or roundabout the reasoning. -(Source)
#14
I miss the chair throwing. :(
At least there's still "Sit Down Whore!" I so want that shirt.
#15
Part of me thinks it's fucked up to ban over a whispered chat, given it's private. Part of me also thinks if there were former events, and this was a pre-emptive move to stop future ones, it's justified. My opinion is void, I'm too addled to have any stand point.

Ole, I'll miss ya. It's a shame to see a good RPer bite the dust.
GMs, my sympathies. Playing the parents suck.

I think I'd be pissed off, but I'm a jaded lil' shit. Hope if one day this all evens out, we'll get you back 'round Ole.
You can't wax that.
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