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#16
Very interesting :) It's also better then people godmodding on you because they think because they've played DnD lets them use uber abilities. I also think it would be interesting if you put up something on double-bladed weapons, such as staffs/staves (in some cases), etc...
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#17
More of my late-night research /yawn. Does anyone have information relating to using blunt weapons like Blackjacks (Thieves :twisted: ), Maces, and Hammers? I'd also like to see things about momentum-based weapons like a flail or whip.
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#18
What questions do you have? I own a blackjack and have used it before. I could also answer questions about all sorts of blunt instruments, since dealing damage with them all follows basic physics.
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#19
Ok - As far as I understand swords, knives, blades are mostly used for cutting right? Are blunt weapons only used for, I think... Blunt trauma? What would blunt trauma and things like concussions do in contrast to taking a blow from a sharpened sword? ( Also can you knock people out with one hit with a blackjack - And how does that work? )
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You could kill people with one hit of a blackjack. The inertia of the force is enough to do serious damage. Blade instruments are for tissue damage, blunt instruments are more for bone trauma and damage. Basically, if I was to throw a swing at your skull with my blackjack- it will most certainly kill you or knock you out and cause some sort of internal bleeding. Same applies to all blades/blunts.

A knife is used to stab and cut and mutilate the surface skin. A blunt is used to hurt what's under the skin .Don't get me wrong, either, you hit someone with a blunt it's gonna break skin too.
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Bolshe Wrote:You could kill people with one hit of a blackjack. The inertia of the force is enough to do serious damage. Blade instruments are for tissue damage, blunt instruments are more for bone trauma and damage. Basically, if I was to throw a swing at your skull with my blackjack- it will most certainly kill you or knock you out and cause some sort of internal bleeding. Same applies to all blades/blunts.

A knife is used to stab and cut and mutilate the surface skin. A blunt is used to hurt what's under the skin .Don't get me wrong, either, you hit someone with a blunt it's gonna break skin too.


Hmm, a weapon like a flail must be extremely deadly then! It would probably knock someone off his/her center or gravity and probably puncture flesh and smash through some armor. Thanks for elaborating! ( I need to research the blackjack thing a bit more. :twisted: )
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#22
Type of damage aside, a mace is used in relatively the same manner as a sword or axe.

As far as Flails and Whips are concerned, I don't have much first-hand experience with them. The main advantage Flails have in a traditional combat is that they can go around shields (sure, the top of your shield stopped the chain, but them spiked balls are still going for your head.) Whips tend to fail against someone wearing any sort of armor, but I suppose you could aim for unprotected areas (eye slits in a helmet if nothing else.) They tend to get shown doing a lot of tripping/disarming type maneuvers, but having not used one or seen one in action I don't know the validity of that sort of thing.
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Grakor456 Wrote:They tend to get shown doing a lot of tripping/disarming type maneuvers, but having not used one or seen one in action I don't know the validity of that sort of thing.

My momma beat me with a belt when I was little. That hurt alot. (Sorry LOL )

On a serious note: I figure a whip would do very little to nothing to an armored opponent (perhaps chains might?) So it probably wasn't used much, if at all, in open warfare/combat.
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#24
It really wasn't. It's just not practical.

But it's cool, so they show up in games a lot, realism be darned.
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#25
As someone who's used whips- really, worthless against armor. Even aiming for eyeslits would be very pointless- as a whip is easy enough to block. And it would take a VERY skilled person to disarm or trip with a whip. Whips are mainly used as discipline, torture, and now-a-days- romance tools. They are not made for actual combat.

Flails are actually the very same thing as a mace- except they use the laws of physics on a new level. Instead of swinging a stick, you're swinging a stick that's swinging a weighted ball. The spikes are not important, those are for irritating tissue damage. The real hit is the giant, metal ball. That, like a blackjack, does bone damage.
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#26
I really don't prefer blunt/heavy weapons due to the fact they're slow, or some of them. For example, you would -never- see me with a tallaxe, but a Grosse Messer wouldn't be uncommon in my hands. Or some form of broadsword. A warhammer, perhaps, if it were light enough. Any form of ranged weapon is out of the question, I can't aim worth crap. Just my two nickels on the subject. If you want to do the most damage, take the one with the least weight. You'll dole out more hurt in a minute than they will.
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#27
I use subtle weapons such as. Knives, Daggers, and maybe a light weight Katana style sword. But by far the both interesting weapon i've trained with is the Two handed Axe. Heavy enough to crush bone, and also sharp enough to cut tissue. And lets face it when your own armor caves in on your skull, Ouch.
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#28
A note on ranged weapons is that plate armour actually provides very little if any protection against arrows. In order to protect against them you would need to be wearing a chain mail shirt under your regular armour. This has to do with the distribution of forces, etc.

In terms of hand to hand combat my version of Japanese Karate focuses on getting in quickly and finishing the job as an average fight will last far less than a minute. Typically you fight on your side to minimize your target area with your feet about shoulders width apart, this is so that you can avoid lunge attacks with knives and such, effectively moving to the side before grabbing and doing other nasty things to whoever attacked. It's important to always understand where your opponent's weapon is and gain control of it using either their own momentum or grabs.

Finally when in a fight were you are unarmed and your opponent has a knife there is usually only one outcome, someone will die and the other will be badly wounded. It's hard to escape a knife fight without various slash or stab wounds.
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#29
As someone who does historical re-enactment (albiet only since the beginning of May), I have to say I'm very impressed by this post and I'm pleased that it's mostly consistent with the things I've learned myself. I'm even thinking of showing it to some others in my re-enactment group and seeing what they think.

Great stuff. ^^

A thing I've been told about as well is the use of fatigue in combat, because when you think about it is going to be hard work moving about in heavy armour and trying to hit someone with a heavy bit of metal. Often your biggest worry besides from the enemy is dehydration and exhaustion. This is a just a note to those who think they can swing a claymore or great axe around all day whilst wearing full plate and not feel the strain. I'd imagine even the larger. hardier races like Orcs and Tauren would get winded sooner or later. It could also add an interesting point in combat in seeing who can outlast in a contest of endurance, before someone finally gets tired enough to make a sloppy block or overstretch themselves a little and create that vital opening.
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Quick question. I read every word of the Duel Weapon section (I actualy read the entire post, but that's not important right now), and noticed that -while this makes sence with a short sword or longsword- the off-hand weapon is generaly used for blocking. My character that I am thinking about, a pirate who specializes in artful assassination and combat, uses a sword -rapier type- in his main hand, and a dagger in his off-hand. The dagger, more used for damage, is very hard to block with as it has neither width or height. What style would be used if you duel wielded a dagger and sword?
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