Once again, because a character got by doesn't mean that rules are going to be changed. Even if Kretol did approve it, it doesn't change that here and now it seems like high elf forsaken are not being allowed. Sometimes rules change, and something that was once okay may not be allowed later on. Either way I don't think we should be arguing the decisions. Even if human forsaken shadow hunters are rare it doesn't mean the server won't allow it or make a compromise so people can take the prestige without being the right race and class.
Wuvvums Wrote:Sometimes rules change, and something that was once okay may not be allowed later on. Either way I don't think we should be arguing the decisions.
I think that players should always get a chance to make their case, but that's not what this is about. This is turning out quite the discussion and stuff like this usually don't have that far to go until it becomes OOC drama, which I don't think any of us wants. So in this case, I do believe that we do as the GMs say to avoid further arguing. Although I suggest Skaar should get to keep his character, and any others who might've been approved. I suspect they've put quite some work into them. My honest opinion.
Forsaken. Are. Not. A. Race.
They are a faction. They are the same race they were before they died, but they are now and UNDEAD-whatever race they were before they died. Therefore, a forsaken high elf is still a high elf, just a member of the forsaken faction and is undead.
Alright. So.
Quote:allowing one means they will have to allow others.
This is not true. In the end, this is going to come down to the GM team's decision. While it's true we have had High Elf Forsaken go through without a hitch before, there seems to have been a mess up in communication of the policy on this between the GM team, and the GM team and the rest of the players.
At the moment we are discussing this still, but to put this to rest we will not be allowing more High Elven Forsaken. What we're doing with the ones already existing is still being decided.
The Dark Ranger prestige can be taken by normal Forsaken, just to clarify.
Awww but that's like saying no belves.
Spiralin Wrote:Awww but that's like saying no belves.
I'm sorry?
The policy is, and always has been, no High Elves in any way, shape or form. Living or dead, DK or not. This is one of those things I feel very strongly about, to the point of "OH LORD BURN IT WITH FIRE". The only elves allowed are Blood Elves and Night Elves.
We had a problem with some GMs being confused about the policy. This has been, hopefully, fixed.
So, you can be a blood elf that lost their elven ranger powers from turning to fel, but you can't be a forsaken high elf, that really isn't a high elf anymore? Just a average Forsaken with the backstory of a high elf?
Spiralin Wrote:So, you can be a blood elf that lost their elven ranger powers from turning to fel, but you can't be a forsaken high elf, that really isn't a high elf anymore? Just a average Forsaken with the backstory of a high elf?
This question confuses me. No, I'm moderately sure you don't immediately lose your Elven Ranger status from just becoming a Sin'dorei.
Also, I thought it was clear; the only way for you to be allowed to've been born a High Elf is if you are now a Blood Elf.
LostStranger Wrote:Spiralin Wrote:So, you can be a blood elf that lost their elven ranger powers from turning to fel, but you can't be a forsaken high elf, that really isn't a high elf anymore? Just a average Forsaken with the backstory of a high elf?
This question confuses me. No, I'm moderately sure you don't immediately lose your Elven Ranger status from just becoming a Sin'dorei.
Also, I thought it was clear; the only time you can have been born a High Elf is if you are now a Blood Elf.
This is correct on both counts.
If High Elven Forsaken are not allowed, then can someone please explain, in terms of lore, how we are able to prestige as Dark Rangers?
Though it is exceedingly rare, Dark Rangers may train Forsaken that were formerly Human.
Surely, Elven Rangers are what you're
supposed to have as what you were prior, but it's not precisely necessary.
...Besides, it's the player's responsibility to provide logical reasoning as to how and why a character is taking a prestige.
Haven't you ever heard of "proof of claim" when it comes to insurance?
muhaha8 Wrote:If High Elven Forsaken are not allowed, then can someone please explain, in terms of lore, how we are able to prestige as Dark Rangers?
There isn't an issue here. Human Forsaken can learn to the art (though it'd be easier with Cata when they can be Hunters in-game.) Even in the d20, the restrictions on the prestige are simply that you must be Forsaken and aligned with the Horde. Being an elf, or a former ranger, is in no way strictly required.
LostStranger Wrote:Though it is exceedingly rare, Dark Rangers may train Forsaken that were formerly Human.
Surely, Elven Rangers are what you're supposed to have as what you were prior, but it's not precisely necessary.
...Besides, it's the player's responsibility to provide logical reasoning as to how and why a character is taking a prestige.
Haven't you ever heard of "proof of claim" when it comes to insurance?
The only case that I can find of a human Dark Ranger is Nathanos Blightcaller. Because there are no others, this
should make it...what's the phrase...a lore thing? Close enough to what I'm looking for. I mean, like, if there's only one, shouldn't it be elevated to lore status to be a human Dark Ranger
As previously stated, with a notable lack of sarcastic attitude, is that on the wowwiki page it is not rare, it is becoming increasingly common, for this to occur. That only one lore character is noted, does not mean that several characters, who feature in the lore as side-helper characters, are not present.
muhaha8 Wrote:The only case that I can find of a human Dark Ranger is Nathanos Blightcaller. Because there are no others, this should make it...what's the phrase...a lore thing? Close enough to what I'm looking for. I mean, like, if there's only one, shouldn't it be elevated to lore status to be a human Dark Ranger
If you're curious, by the way, Nathanos Marris is famous for being the only Human in history to become an Elven Ranger. Though for him and only him, the title is a misnomer.
More importantly, Ben is rather correct.