A comment from Hydra55x

[Kretol]

I got a comment attempted to be posted on my blog post that mentions this site from Hydra55x/AmbassadorK, but I figured it'd be better to post here so folks can see it easier and make their own judgments and comments instead of spamming up my blog post. Remember that inflammatory replies are unwelcome, regardless of whether or not they agree with any points presented here by the original poster or myself. Any constructive criticism or suggestions are welcome, of course.

Hmmmm, yes, this server brings back memories. Did I mention the BAD ones? None of the admins care about the community, they only care about abusing their powers to get a laugh or two. Did I mention the fact that you rarely get any gear at all, I mean, how are you supposed to kill a hulking, overpowered level 70 admin with your starting gear? I tried, and all he did was laugh in my face and say "I put poison in your drink, logout and come back later!" Hmmm, did I mention the fact you have to write a 4-5 parograph long beckground of your character? Yep, that or get banned when you hit level 40. Hmmm, we arent alloud to get gear or instant 70?! Yep, we sure like the starting clothes and looking like clones! I mean, after all, the only other option is the expensive crap that the vendors sell you. Another hmmm, we only get 10 pieces of gear for putting so much work into our essay, so you mean, we have to run INSTANCES on a roleplay server to get gear? I wonder what it's like... "I SMITE YOU ILLIDAN, I DEMAND YOUR LOOTEH!" Later: "OMG HE DIDNT DROP THE BULWARK?! I HAS TO RUN THE INSTANCE AGAIN?!?!" Did I mention the fact that if I wanted normal rates and boring RPs where we can't do anything, I would have gone back to retail. Conquest of the Horde is fail, the admins are fail, your follow-it-or-be-banned "Server Lore" in the Warcraft universe, already having it's own lore that developed over 10 years, is fail.

And now for my responses.


Er, sorry you got such a corrupted view of things for the few days you were here back in June (was it like 3 or 4 days?) that don't even exist . Let's go point by point, shall we?


"None of the admins care about the community, they only care about abusing their powers to get a laugh or two."

I'm sorry, but I never saw any of the admins (ie, Grakor or myself) abusing commands to 'get a laugh or two.'



"Did I mention the fact that you rarely get any gear at all, I mean, how are you supposed to kill a hulking, overpowered level 70 admin with your starting gear? I tried, and all he did was laugh in my face and say "I put poison in your drink, logout and come back later!""

This has never happened. Are you thinking of another server? I'm sorry that you have us confused.



"Hmmm, did I mention the fact you have to write a 4-5 parograph long beckground of your character? Yep, that or get banned when you hit level 40. Hmmm, we arent alloud to get gear or instant 70?! Yep, we sure like the starting clothes and looking like clones!"

Having 10 lines in a profile is all that's required. I don't see how you get 4-5 paragraphs out of that. Plus, it's been an excellent way to deter the PvE-oriented folk that we used to get when we actually did used to insta-70 and have silver tokens abundantly available for much cheaper.



"I mean, after all, the only other option is the expensive crap that the vendors sell you. Another hmmm, we only get 10 pieces of gear for putting so much work into our essay, so you mean, we have to run INSTANCES on a roleplay server to get gear? I wonder what it's like... "I SMITE YOU ILLIDAN, I DEMAND YOUR LOOTEH!" Later: "OMG HE DIDNT DROP THE BULWARK?! I HAS TO RUN THE INSTANCE AGAIN?!?!""

I assume you mean the vendors in Shatterspear, and that's all stuff to get at 70 in case you want to reserve your tokens for RP-oriented things, not to mention the items are all less then 10 gold, more or less. Besides, note how the money drop rate is 10x, so if you're killing things that normally drop around 10 silver, you'll be getting around a gold per kill. And let's not forgot about the Farseer's Gift, eh?



"Did I mention the fact that if I wanted normal rates and boring RPs where we can't do anything, I would have gone back to retail."

Did you actually read any of the FAQs or main Wiki page where it shows the rates? And I kind of doubt you have the ability to "see the big picture" when if we had no RP rules, we'd have gobs of people playing illegitimate bastard-childs of Illidan/Kael'thas/Thrall/every-other-major-lore-figure. I'm sorry you seem to be part of that crowd, but obviously the server isn't for you.



"Conquest of the Horde is fail, the admins are fail, your follow-it-or-be-banned "Server Lore" in the Warcraft universe, already having it's own lore that developed over 10 years, is fail."

I'm glad you have the first impression, as what I've perceived of you with this inflammatory post leads me to believe that you'd be a detrimental member of the community, though your earlier forum posts wouldn't lead me to believe that. Everyone has their dark points, though. Even me! *Rawr*. And, I'm also a bit surprised that you can't seem to distinguish that the server is set about 7 years in the future from current retail time. This was originally done to allow 'alternative character development' from characters brought from retail, but that was before some other thoughts. Plot additions =/= completely different lore, simply lore additions. Thanks!

[Bolshe]

While I can agree that there are some things that I don't necessarily like about the server, I can put aside my dislike for them since they deter the wrong kind of people from entering the server. I've seen many RP servers be them WoW or not, and the ones that take the time to make sure that the players are actually roleplaying are the good ones. This comment here, Hydra55x's, is the typical comment you'd expect from a child. No hate, it's just true. He's impatient, overly rude and obnoxious, and not understanding of the larger picture. I have my doubts that this is a player who would have fared well in roleplay- complaining about actually putting thought into your character proves that. It takes no more than an hour to write out a good character profile that actually tells us about your character- an hour is fine for questing and leveling from 20 to 25 but if it's actually for roleplay it becomes some impossible barrier. Yes, this server has its own lore- and why would you want to roleplay on a private server (a land which is highly modifiable by the administrators) unless you wanted something different?

Kretol, there will be always people who get angered by the fact that they can't waltz into a server and just immediately have everything. Some people in the RP community expect things to work for them 100% or no percent- and they have to realize that they either pay attention to how other server's work or quit. I personally would not have wanted to play with this person here because it's clear he is not ready to put the little initiative to get his character fleshed out and into the world.

[Monolith]

That guy was grumpy, huh?

Well, from my experience on the server, RP is abundant, the GMs are active and will RP with you (Even if one or two are a little snooty :P ) and the community is helpful. Though I spy a flaw every now and then, it is forgivable for having a FREE RP SERVER WTHOUT OOCERS AND GRIEFERS.

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[TwilightDisciple]

I have my own criticisms about CotH, and I see how people get frustrated like him. Even so, his opinion is obviously rage-driven and exaggerated.

Poor guy, dependent on gear to RP. Sure you wanna look the part, but goddamn. The big picture is that he misses the point of near everything. Posting profiles are supposed to take the place of the boring grind.

But why repost this here? His comment's worth deleting out of your blog. It's not even constructive critique. It's pretty much him just ranting about how the server isn't for him and not being able to get over it and move on.

[Kretol]

I didn't even approve the comment for it to be posted. I simply wanted to ensure that both accusations and replies are seen for those that may have similar lines of thought, and the best place for it was on the forums instead of as a comment on my blog post, which hardly anyone would probably see.

[TwilightDisciple]

Ah, I see.

With that said, in honesty again, I can see where he's coming from on one the many points he tries to raise. Another one, I can see how he felt the way he felt, even if it was blown out of proportion so hard I refuse to extend on it.

The rest is just an angry, frustrated (what I'm assuming is a) youth.

[HelveteSong]

Kretol, I see where this kid is coming from...and I see he has good points. I also see pink elephants and angels dancing on the head of a pin. It's sad that people just expect everything to be handed to them when they first join a server without any work at all. It's good that you make us work for our leveling, our items, and our trades and professions. It cuts the line between the PvP and PvE players who just want to screw around and the RPers who want to have fun roleplaying in a game which Live seems to lack mostly.

Great job keeping those noobie boobies in line.
/applause

[Harmonic]

Heh. All I can say in response to this, is that we try really hard to make ourselves different than retail, and that we know we are not perfect. A lot of the rules we have in place are to prevent some of the stuff that we've gone through, and the ones that don't work we do attempt to change.

When it comes to the server lore, as well as Warcraft lore, we keep the rules on being true to it for one simple matter: If we didn't want Warcraft lore, we wouldn't have a Warcraft site/emulator.

But, again. We are trying very hard to constantly update, so that we can be better, and hopefully the complaints that people have can be delt with, rather than having people be angry and tell us we are stupid and mean.

[ShadowStormSimon]

I think this one was actually ingame. He started saying how everyone was against him and ranting on and on, He was also sexist and rude.

[Lokk]

I guess the only thing that I can say is that I'm glad they've decided to move on.

[Hawk]

I think he just needed to chill out, and he's probably an impatient, 12 year old.
But in answer to his quotes:

"None of the admins care about the community, they only care about abusing their powers to get a laugh or two."

- I've never seen any Admin, or heard of any grunt for that matter, abusing their powers. He should've atleast had the common sense to actually report the guy who was 'abusing him'...

"Did I mention the fact that you rarely get any gear at all, I mean, how are you supposed to kill a hulking, overpowered level 70 admin with your starting gear? I tried, and all he did was laugh in my face and say "I put poison in your drink, logout and come back later!""

- He clearly doesn't know about Roll Fighting, and if he's entirely dependant on his gear, he needs to learn to adapt...

"Hmmm, did I mention the fact you have to write a 4-5 parograph long beckground of your character? Yep, that or get banned when you hit level 40. Hmmm, we arent alloud to get gear or instant 70?! Yep, we sure like the starting clothes and looking like clones!"

- He's exaggerating there... Like Kretol said, you only need to write 10 lines. And you don't get banned for being level 40, you only get your character suspended if you don't have an approved profile by the time you're level 40...

"I mean, after all, the only other option is the expensive crap that the vendors sell you. Another hmmm, we only get 10 pieces of gear for putting so much work into our essay, so you mean, we have to run INSTANCES on a roleplay server to get gear? I wonder what it's like... "I SMITE YOU ILLIDAN, I DEMAND YOUR LOOTEH!" Later: "OMG HE DIDNT DROP THE BULWARK?! I HAS TO RUN THE INSTANCE AGAIN?!?!"

- He seems to focus more on looking badass and thinking "Look at me, my gear owns you" than the actual reason roleplaying servers are created... ROLEPLAYING. The simpler the better in my opinion.

"Did I mention the fact that if I wanted normal rates and boring RPs where we can't do anything, I would have gone back to retail."

- Once again, leveling isn't a neccesity here, and there's a whole new world of opportunities open to him, dunno why he's complaning.

"Conquest of the Horde is fail, the admins are fail, your follow-it-or-be-banned "Server Lore" in the Warcraft universe, already having it's own lore that developed over 10 years, is fail."

- Personally I like the Lore, and when I first came here I didn't even expect there to be a special Lore in the first place, so that was a nice surprise and I'm grateful for it, because they put a lot of work into making this server what it is and what it is, is a damn good server.


These are just my opinions, I do have a couple of problems with this server but I'm not gonna go into a frenzy and throw a hissy fit about it.

EDIT: Sorry if I've come on a bit strong, I just wanted to voice my opinion

[Nevena]

EDIT: Sorry if I've come on a bit strong, I just wanted to voice my opinion

Aside from the "impatient 12 yr old" reference, I think you expressed yourself well without being harsh!

I also think all the folks in this thread have expressed themselves well, starting with Kretol. I think it's good Kretol posted it and took the time to address all the points, including those that appear to have little to do with actual requirements/experiences on this server. Good show.

Yes, as with all shared universes, there are going to be policies and people that are going to have rough spots. No, it won't be right for everyone, let alone forever. Aside from that, it seems to me that there's little of Hydra55x's rant that really warrants further addressing.