Judge not...

[Loxmardin]

It's much better than it's been before, indeed. I've been around for a long time and I still remember the times when I'd honestly get upset by people who'd openly criticise or throw bile at Blood Elf players in the OOC areas. In much, much worse ways than I ever see people do it these days. Today, most people at least have the courtesy of taking these sorts of discussion outside the server itself, which is greatly appreciated by myself and plenty of others, I'm sure.

People have the right to be unhappy about things, though. The fact that so many people play Blood Elves or seek themselves to certain areas affect a lot of peoples' roleplay, since not all characters are going to be particularly friendly or suitable in a roleplaying situation involving certain other races in certain areas. Many of us think it's completely fine to find random, casual roleplay in a place like Booty Bay or Ratchet, but others simply won't enjoy that sort of RP as much.

So, I completely understand where the complaints come from. But complaining's not going to help anything, as the only thing it accomplishes is to make the people who roleplay these characters in these areas feel targetted by this criticism. Some don't take it well. Speaking from personal experience, I know that some of the criticism can be pretty hurtful since it makes you as a roleplayer feel pretty bad about yourself sometimes. I'm not speaking for everyone here, mind. Just myself, back when I still took these things to heart. (Today, I don't take it to heart as much. For better or worse; that depends on how you see it.)

But. As Nostra said above... These kinds of situations exist in nearly every community out there. Most of CotH's issues do, in fact. We're just like any other community at the core, heh. It's hard to truly do something about it since not everyone will be happy about everything that happens. We've all got different preferences, and when one preference is in the majority, there's bound to be some people in a minority there somewhere. Or several minorities. And those minorities just don't get the same opportunities as the majority to get the kind of roleplay they're looking for since the majority prefers something else, and sometimes the complete opposite.

... There, now I've rambled. I lost my train of thought.

[Lunaxy]

Heh, to me this is just a lot of drama.

Don't like a place? Don't RP in it.

Don't like a character? Don't roleplay with it.

That easy, sorry if I'm too honest.

[Yandere]

Humans create conflict. There's no way around it. Human nature is a funny thing, nyegh? Oh, and indeed as members before me have posted... The past actually rather had the habbit of criticising one's character. Why would I know that? People I have contact with tell me. Veterans.

Logic dictates, I say. As such...

http://www.conquestofthehorde.com/Thread...Phenomenon

Whym out.

[Loxmardin]

Heh, to me this is just a lot of drama.

Don't like a place? Don't RP in it.

Don't like a character? Don't roleplay with it.

That easy, sorry if I'm too honest.

Easy to say.

But it excludes a lot of people from RP, both ways, so it's in no way a viable or ideal solution to the problem (as it is, in fact, a problem). Then again, I can agree with the above for the message it gives against the complaints...

Then again, they do complain for a reason. And that's where the problem is, heh.

[Psycho]

Heh, to me this is just a lot of drama.

Don't like a place? Don't RP in it.

Don't like a character? Don't roleplay with it.

That easy, sorry if I'm too honest.

To be fair, I enjoy my taste of theater. But if you please do avoid such comments, and find ways to better flavor them? There's a difference between honesty and bluntness.

This wasn't intended to say "GRRRAH COTH SUXXOZRS."

It was merely my expression of something pestering my mind and refusing to relent of it. I wanted to know other opinions, and I guess deep down I'm a bit glad that I've been proven wrong so far. It shows it's nothing but an error of thought on my end, one which is yet fixable.

But for the future, I'd like to ask this thread be kept respecting to both sides, if that much wasn't granted.

[Spiky]

It's not like people are binding your thumbs and hanging you by them, it's RP.

It's true, I can rarely go a day on the server without hearing some anti-bloodelf or anti-booty bay stuff. In the end booty bay is just an rp zone, that offers a wide variety of rp, but people avoid it like a ghetto. And blood elves... just a race. A race with interesting lore, nice potential for different types of characters, and to be blunt they are visually appealing.

Because it's totally not like if you don't play a Blood Elf or like RP'ing with them ALL the time, you can still have RP on Co- Oh no, you can't. My bad. That's the 'issue' about Blood Elves, that nobody seems to get. The fact is there are so many, they don't play or hardly play anything else (And they expect YOU to make a Blood Elf, instead of Vice Versa and creating a race to RP with the ones who don't like to RP with Blood Elves 100% of the time they're on CotH) So, all in all, CotH seems domintated by the Blood Elf players who're like this: "Pff, don't like it don't RP" So what? You take it upon yourself to decide who gets to RP here or not? (Wether you like it or not, you do. It's time you realised it.)

If one has the desire to RP, but sees only Blood Elves online, and one has a distaste for seeing them 24/7, or Draenei, or Trolls, any race. Then, dear community, you're dictating what people are to roleplay, while trying to look good with theese "I can play what I want" comments. Good cover.

Would people still make snide blood elf comments if hardly anyone played them?

No, because that's kinda why we make theese 'snide' comments. And go ahead, tell me to play something else, and be like me. Maybe then you'll understand. If you don't.. Well.

Some people go as far as to inquire or bash at you for playing a character wrongly, merely because you aren't following a race stereotype (Racist Nelf, Pious Draenei, Rude Human and so goes your list) or because you decided to try something different with your character.

Like it or not, there are general guidelines for playing each race, and when people constantly deviate from them? Yeah, it gets real annoying to some. But I can also see where you're comming from, because hearing it over and over must be tiring, but now, imagine seeing the same thing over and over while people claim they're different? (Pretty much the same thing.)

Logic dictates

Not as much as you'd like / think, sadly.

[Reigen]

I play a race that I enjoy both lore wise and the visual aspect of it. I can recite the belf lore at this point in time and yes, my main is a Blood Elf. Yes, they do dominate the server but at the same time I'm not going to stop playing one because they suck up the majority of the RP and people are going to complain about that.

I also enjoyed playing a Troll, but there's just not much Troll RP out there. Is it the fault of the blood elves? No, it's not. I can sit by for hours in OOC and not see one person attempt to try to get Troll, Tauren or Orc RP going. Most of what people ask for is Neutral RP, Alliance RP or, yes, Blood Elf RP. It's also a very unrealistic expectation that when you do try to start up Horde RP, that everyone who is already in a RP will drop what they're doing in order to join something else.

I often see people try to start up RP, blame the people in OOC for not coming when they fail to notice there is RP going on in other areas that not everyone is just going to drop in order to do something new at that moment. It's up to the person at that point to either accept the fact that things are going on that have been going on for a while, or to give up and join the other RP or sit in OOC like the rest.

I have one of every race on my three accounts and I enjoy playing the other races, I just happen to enjoy one race more as a default. Granted, I recently discovered the joys of playing an old troll with a lazy, no good son. The only race I do not have is a gnome, and that's just because they weird me out.

I will admit, I talk junk about Booty Bay a lot just because of some of the...less than flavorful RP that goes on there and a lot of lore hurps I see in the area, but I don't deny I had a lot of fun there when I first started out. It was always, 'Alright, I'm on COTH, let's see what's going on in the bay now!'. I also admit I avoid going there because I don't want to be 'that guy' who points out lore when people might not want it.

I don't really care how people RP so long as they're not breaking any rules. If they enjoy it, who am I to honestly give them any crap about it unless they're breaking like, a million lore facts. Interracial relationships? Eh, have fun, just don't get OOCly defensive if I make an IC comment. RP outside of the racial norm? Expect IC comments.

~~At no point should it become an OOC issue.~~

If you start different RP and I'm not doing anything, then yeah, I'd love to join on my old Troll or my Orc, or even my Tauren. I have alliance characters too. Just don't expect me to up and leave what I may be currently doing in order to do so.

[Lunaxy]

Heh, to me this is just a lot of drama.

Don't like a place? Don't RP in it.

Don't like a character? Don't roleplay with it.

That easy, sorry if I'm too honest.

Easy to say.

But it excludes a lot of people from RP, both ways, so it's in no way a viable or ideal solution to the problem (as it is, in fact, a problem). Then again, I can agree with the above for the message it gives against the complaints...

Then again, they do complain for a reason. And that's where the problem is, heh.

People exclude others from RP regardless, there are so many 'friendly friend groups who only RP with themselves'. What I tried to say is, if you don't RP with things you don't like, you won't complain about it, and people won't complain about you complaining.

Heh, to me this is just a lot of drama.

Don't like a place? Don't RP in it.

Don't like a character? Don't roleplay with it.

That easy, sorry if I'm too honest.

To be fair, I enjoy my taste of theater. But if you please do avoid such comments, and find ways to better flavor them? There's a difference between honesty and bluntness.

This wasn't intended to say "GRRRAH COTH SUXXOZRS."

It was merely my expression of something pestering my mind and refusing to relent of it. I wanted to know other opinions, and I guess deep down I'm a bit glad that I've been proven wrong so far. It shows it's nothing but an error of thought on my end, one which is yet fixable.

But for the future, I'd like to ask this thread be kept respecting to both sides, if that much wasn't granted.

Sorry, I didn't intend to sound rude or blunt, that was merely my opnion. There are just several threads filled with rants and complaints (About people complaining). It's exactly like food, if you eat a little, it's good, but if you eat way too much, you end up with stomach pain, if that made any sense.

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[Xigo]

Admittedly, it is annoying when you would like some orc roleplay and everyone's ERPing. Or heck, visa versa. It is a great challenge to get racial RP going without making an event. And even then, immediately after the event, everyone logs. This is why I'm very happy for the Forsaken recently, due to Black Harvest. Love you guys.

I like elves. Don't get me wrong. But I can feel for the poor tauren, gnomes and dwarves out there.

Can't really blame them for being a bit peeved.

[Psycho]

Well, this thread has gone rather far enough in my opinion. I thank for the opinions, and I thank for our diverse folk. I'd like it locked and deleted, preferably.

[Xigo]

*Shrug*

Sure.