Cassius' New Feedback Thread

[CappnRob]

Well, like I said. Cassius RPs.... Cassius as a real middle ages style crusader.

... they weren't nice types. After all, look at the Scarlet Crusade.

[Wuvvums]

How is crucifying not torture?

I'm pretty sure the sources I heard from was pretty reliable. There are some OOC things about the situation itself that feels rather uncomfortable and I don't know if I should discuss it since it's already been sorted out anyways.

[CappnRob]

If it was consented, then I don't see the problem is, other than you personally not liking it. I'm not into that sort of RP either, but eh. Whatever you like to roll with.

[Cassius]

I think it was how it was handled. To me it was a double edged sword, and I think the way people went with it was pretty good, but initially it seemed to come from absolutely nowhere. The hard part is that it also seemed to come from something almost OOC the way it was presented, and that feeling is a hard one to scrub away from my own personal standpoint.

I also find it really, really strange that this group was a bunch of light-praising individuals. Sure, it could happen... but out of all the people that'd want to see a priestess killed? I can't really say much other than that, and I'm sure there's IC justifications, but to me it just came off as super strange and... graphic for priests/paladins.

I don't know about you, but if someone claims to be following the Light yet approves the harboring of a necromancer, a cult to install itself within a settlement and also protects a "corrupted" individual who nearly destroyed an entire city.

I mean at this point...why wouldn't a fanatic want her dead? It's basically a kick in the face to their faith and an insult to what they stand for.

As for the overall murder, it would have been dealt with far less brutality if some people didn't over retaliate.

Oh yeah, how is it OOC? Please, tell me, you got me curious.

How is crucifying not torture?

I'm pretty sure the sources I heard from was pretty reliable. There are some OOC things about the situation itself that feels rather uncomfortable and I don't know if I should discuss it since it's already been sorted out anyways.

She was dead when we crucified her. What's the problem?

[Aadora]

From what I heard they made a point to maim her, torture her, and crucify her. And even after that they were doing things with her body.

Even if the group is crusader-like that's borderline evil and I don't see why they wouldn't be behind merciful deaths.

Nice, got some people agreeing with you there.

However she was taken away, told what she was being judged for, killed, and then crucified.

There was no torture.

There was no point made to maim her. There was about 5 seconds of killing her, then her jaw was put back in place and covered, and she was taken away. Downright evil would have been to tear her jaw off, throw it in a corner, beat her skull in, burn her body and then hang her from a nearby tree.

And other than the crucifixion there was nothing done to her body after she was dead.

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How is crucifying not torture?

Because she was already dead?

[Xigo]

Right. Our criticisms of this have been made, and ultimately we're just going to be bashing heads.

Please, let us not discuss this topic further. Simply 'like' the posts you agree with, chaps, and leave it at that. I don't think there's much else to add.

[Harmonic]

I'll only comment on my thoughts of the OOC bit, since that was directed specifically at me. I don't wish to comment further, because as Xigo said, it's not doing any good to just butt heads.

The reason I take it as OOC is because of the way it was handled. It came off as very abrupt and short in the manner of the post that was made, and considering what exactly had happened to her it seemed like something was -missing-. Like I said, it's hard for me to put my finger on, and there's most likely a reason for everything.

Again, this is my standpoint, I'm don't want to argue it, since I know someone will rebuttal it anyhow, but it's how I see things. This is my last post on the matter.

[Cassius]

I'm sorry, but I find it really insulting when someone criticizes but doesn't backup their point. Especially when it comes from a GM.

Oh well, what can we do eh?

I'll only comment on my thoughts of the OOC bit, since that was directed specifically at me. I don't wish to comment further, because as Xigo said, it's not doing any good to just butt heads.

The reason I take it as OOC is because of the way it was handled. It came off as very abrupt and short in the manner of the post that was made, and considering what exactly had happened to her it seemed like something was -missing-. Like I said, it's hard for me to put my finger on, and there's most likely a reason for everything.

Again, this is my standpoint, I'm don't want to argue it, since I know someone will rebuttal it anyhow, but it's how I see things. This is my last post on the matter.

Trust me, the death was planned out on my side for awhile. We even spent time in the evening before the death in figuring out "how" everything was going to work.

I'll be honest though, if there's anyone who should feedback about anything involving Annabelle's death it's c0rzilla herself and those who witnessed it.

I made mistakes during the murder and there were plenty of miscommunications during that night which occurred. I was unfamiliar with how the CW system worked and realized things had to be painfully less obscure and had to forcefully change a few things along the way (thankfully I had Rosencrat to confirm things in between me and c0rzilla too). Fortunately, despite a few bumpy trips, everything ended smoothly for both parties.

Unless c0rzilla has something to add to it, be it positive and/or negative.

[mimloopen]

Harvey is cool although its been forever since we rp'd, and forever since I've been on Lish

Well developed and fun guy (sorry my reviews suck).

[c0rzilla]

Yeah, I guess I should comment here, huh?

While the death was brutal, there wasn't any real torture. The humiliation might count, the way she was hog-tied, but...meh. And, yes. She was strung up after she died.

Yes, there was a large amount of miscommunication and holding back of information, which I did not appreciate. I did not appreciate a near-inescapable situation for my character not being elaborated upon beforehand, and the details only being drug out with a GM involved. I'll attribute that all to your stated misunderstanding of the CW system, as I don't think you meant any OOC malice by it.

And it was because of this lack of malice, that I went along with it. I don't think you knew better, I do think you honestly thought this was an awesome way to go about things. I can see how you wanted the lack of "spoilers" (i.e. hiding things from me) to contribute to story surprises. The thing is, you can't quite do that with another person's character in a situation like this.

One thing I really don't appreciate, however, is you calling an idea to counter your Trinita "stupid". I never called one part of this death scenario stupid, despite its problems. I worked with you through to its end.

So, yeah. Let us hope we can all play nice as the wave of retribution you brought forth comes through. I hope to approach you with ideas, and I hope you do the same more clearly this time.

[Harmonic]

Thank you guys for the clarification, this addresses exactly what I was seeing/feeling.

Sorry if I came off as rude or whatever, but it's what I could see from reading it.

Edit: Also, what C0r said about "Stupid" ideas. I didn't know it was going to happen... but honestly, IC actions have IC consequences, heh. There's a massive group of people that knew Annabelle well and will probably try to steamroller the people that killed her.

It may not be what you intended to have happen, which is normal, but that's the nature of RP. You do something IC, it has either good or bad consequences...

Like in real life. You kill someone, likely something bad will happen to you, especially if you are so open with it.





But! I'm done! Sorry guys, if I come off as mean, that's totally not the tone I'm trying to convey, I'm just trying to make my own sense of it.

[Grakor456]

Going to add a couple things here, from the GM perspective...since Xigo wasn't really specific. I won't necessarily speak for him, but this is the general sense I was getting from the GM team, and my own personal feelings as well:

Aside from the miscommunication in the CW, there's one thing I'd like to stress...not everyone enjoys gore or torture (pre- or post-death.) It's kind of one of those things that I'd recommend you clear with everyone beforehand before you do it, and if possible move it to party chat to avoid folks happening upon it. Warcraft is noblebright, not everyone wants to see grimdark.

C0rzilla's been an amazing sport about all of it, I'd say.

[Sol]

Just throwing my tuppence in, but here goes. It's clear that this was an extraordinarily high-profile character death that's incurred an enormous reaction both IC and OOC, and it's no surprise, really, that the intricacies of it are being so heavily scrutinised. Happens with any scandalous occasion. I get the feeling here that some details are being blown out of proportion, because going by the accounts I've heard on both sides it was a fairly straightforward and fair character death after some initial OOC confusion. Proper consent and warning was given and looking at various logs, it seems to have been a very well-executed and thought out event that was only hindered by some misconceptions regarding the rules, which were adequately corrected in due course. [/waffle]

. . . Does anyone else think this wouldn't have provoked nearly as much discussion were it anyone but Annabelle getting killed? xD

[Aadora]

Annabelle died.
Annabelle is alive again.
Annaballe will soon be telling those around her who killed her.
Alta Trinita will have people attempting to find them and kill them. As is a normal reaction.
We will have to either keep running, stop and fight, or whatever... that is part of RP. Serious consequences for serious actions.

I don't see why this is stirring up so much OOC drama.

[Cressy]

Drop the subject and get back to feedback.