Offical Gun Dueling.

[Zantekken]

Seeing as Gun Duels are usually linked to gentlemen in some way, the Challenger, in a show of both manners and arrogance, should let the Challenged fire first (Seeing as he obviously believes he can beat said Challenged, Though sometimes this may not be that case).

Either that, or based on some factors the Referee that's present can elect someone to go first.

[Azheron]

But... A referee could be OOCly corrupted.

A morally-acceptable duel would start with the challenger issuing a traditional, public, personal grievance, based on an insult, directly to the single person who offended the challenger.
The challenged person had the choice of a public apology or other restitution, or choosing the weapons for the duel. The challenger would then propose a place for the "field of honour". The challenged man had to either accept the site or propose an alternative. The location had to be a place where the opponents could duel without being arrested. It was common for the constables to set aside such places and times and spread the information, so "honest people can avoid unpatrolled places."
At the field of honor, each side would bring a doctor and seconds. The seconds would try to reconcile the parties by acting as go-betweens to attempt to settle the dispute with an apology or restitution. If reconciliation succeeded, all parties considered the dispute to be honorably settled, and went home.
Each side would have at least one second; three was the traditional number.
If one party failed to appear, he was accounted a coward. The appearing party would win by default. The seconds and sometimes the doctor would bear witness of the cowardice.

Here's the duel rules from the renaissance. It doesn't say anything about who gets to start, so I think that they fire at the same time, no?

[Baltaj]

I don't even know for sure if i can actually post here before getting the introduction approved, but reading this a thought came into my mind.

That's an interesting system, but in my opinion it looks too random. Why don't we take into account the skill of the two opponents? I mean... a hunter or a warrior surely has a better aim than say ... a paladin, a mage or a priest that has never wielded a gun before in his entire life, no? Why not to put some bonus/malus depending on the class? Something like...

Dwarf: +5 to the roll
Race unused to guns (night elves, orcs et cetera): -5 to the roll
Hunter: +10 to the roll
Class able to actually use a gun in the game (such as a warrior or rogue): +5 to the roll
Class unable to actually use a gun in the game (such as a paladin, mage, priest and so on): -10 to the roll

This was just an example, i don't know if with this modifyiers it would be balanced, but the general idea is to apply something like this.

EDIT: And now that you make me think about this... why not to take into account in some way the "gun" skill degree of the involved character? (provided they have it)

[Azheron]

Beh, really, those can be so unfair. And if we'd start making them, a priest could have trained using a gun ICly.

[Baltaj]

Well... of course it would be unfair, but things in life are rarely fair. Not all people have exactly the same aim skill. I mean, it shouldn't depend exclusively on the luck of the roll.

A priest could train in the use of a gun, but he will never reach the same skill of a hunter, whose very job is to shoot at things, no? I don't know, 'twas just a random idea.

[Azheron]

What I meant, was that there are hunters that don't use guns.

And what prevents a priest from reaching the skill of a hunter in gun-use?

[Baltaj]

Well, in my opinion, the fact that a priest has to learn so many things to do his own job, that has little time or effort left to learn how to use perfectly a weapon. I mean, the classes exist, and i like to respect their strenghts and weaknesses.

It's pretty inevitable that a hunter has a better aim... considered that he spent an entire life training it. Can you say the same about a priest? While a priest was training his prayers and studying his faithfulness or whatever, a hunter was training his aim. I suppose that nothing prevents a priest from training with a gun... but he has inevitably to do so in his "spare time", and thus he can't become a specialist in guns (or in any other weapon) without to sacrifice some of his "priest skills".

Then... of course a hunter can also use bows or crossbows instead of guns. A Night elf or Orc hunter, to use an example, won't probably use guns at all... but he has some degree of aim nontheless, no? He should still have a better aim than a priest, i guess! (Anyway... i suppose that no Orc or Night elf would ever agree to duel with a gun... for the average Orc an honorable duel needs to be melee, and for the average night elf probably the very idea of a duel sounds quite stupid.)

[Azheron]

Nope. The classes are an OOC method of seeing what role you are, while they are used ICly in a minimal manner, not every hunter has trained the use of guns. There are no classes in real life, are there? And from what I've seen, CotH attempts to make it more realistic.

[Baltaj]

Of course i really like this realistic approach. And of course classes are an OOC way to schematize how the characters are IC. I mean, a Priest has certain skills, while a hunter has others. And I'm speaking about those characters In Character. If I want to role play a character which is good in the use of guns I roll it as a Hunter ... or if I do not want it to be bonded with the animal world and so on, a Warrior or Rogue. A Priest is something else, for how I see it.

In real life there are no classes... but you must agree with me if I say that someone who can make amazing special shots such as the hunter ones has to be very very trained in the art of shooting, and has to have a very good aim. Ok, I understand that not all the hunters train in the use of a Gun, but here I'm speaking of a raw question of Aim. Someone wich has trained his entire life to shoot with a bow or crossbow has certainly a better aim (even with a gun) than a priest that has spent some time training with a gun, no?

I see it as a question of balance. Someone who has miracolous powers of healing and protection has had to work hard to get them... and this gave him little to no time left to train other types of combat.

Sorry for the repetitions, but I didn't find any synonimes to "train" or "aim". (nor I searched them, in fact)

(By the way... I know it's really very off topic... but how do I know when an introduction is accepted or rejected? A PM? I am sure that looking somewhere in this forum I could find the answer myself... but I didn't. Too Clumsy. hock: )

[Tarne]

Gun duels changed through the times...and basically what I did was mesh different ages and rules together to form a unique system. Also I adopted the idea that the challenged always fires first. That will stay for sure.

[Beltharean]

Guns were invented to make killing easier. The first time I shot a pistol the target was about twenty or thirt feet away. I was 9, and hit about two inches from the bulls eye. That's with -zero- training. In a world fueled by war, most everyone will have at least minimal knowledge of guns I would think. I'm not talking bazookas, sniper rifles, and grenade launchers, I'm talking a basic 22 revolver.

[Piroska]

Really, people can do what they want, regardless of what this thread states, correct? It's the same with the current duel system in place: you decide ahead of time what rules you want to use and move forward. If both sides want the challenger to shoot first, then they proceed with that. If both sides want to roll to shoot first, then they proceed with that. If they want a duel to the death, then that's what they do. If they want a duel to first blood, they can do that instead.

Remember, we only do what we want to do as defined by a pretty flexible ruleset that has been established by the staff. If neither participant feels up to potentially losing a character, you can roleplay a duel without having that happen. It's choice.

(By the way... I know it's really very off topic... but how do I know when an introduction is accepted or rejected? A PM? I am sure that looking somewhere in this forum I could find the answer myself... but I didn't. Too Clumsy. hock: )

You should receive an email stating that it has been accepted. You will be promoted to the Peon rank and you will see your introduction since it will be suddenly visible to all! Hope that that helps.

[Tarne]

Well Piroska this is a special occasion, it wouldn't be your average "I hate you, let's fight" duel. What I'm trying to do is make a system for nobles (mostly alliances races would do this) to duel properly. And like stated above, since there is alays the chance of character death it would make these duels a big event for watchers and people would come around to see them, they'd be rare and entertaining.

[Baltaj]

Well... I guess that's a human only thing, in the end. Maybe also for some blood elves or dwarves or gnomes, say.

Anyway, thanks, Piroska, that helped

[Tarne]

ANy noble types can do it really...there are dwarf nobles for sure.