Slavery and You.

[c0rzilla]

All I know is, damn. Shivala walked away from y'all. ;p Keep a tighter leash on these people.

[Wuvvums]

Actually I thought that was pretty hilarious that Shivala just walked off ;D

[JackofBlades]

What is all this I hear? Slaves being sold? Slaves walking away.

*Large English Word* Why was I not informed? Also yes half the people I meet in BB probably shouldn't be there and slavers aren't really -that- stupid enough to let that many slavers just get set free, they'd probably just take them back, twice the profit, half the searching.

As for Shiv walking away, they'd probably laugh as well...and then shoot her in the spine.

[Wuvvums]

I wasn't there for the part where Shiv walked away. I think we can just chalk that one off as a comedic moment

[Binkleheimer]

I definitely agree with you, Binkleheimer. When Fala was on auction as a slave, I had him hissing and generally making it clear that he wouldn't submit to whoever bought him, in the hope that he wouldn't be sold. However, he ended up being bought anyway and set free.

As for slavers capturing other chars, I'd definitely recommend making sure that all chars being captured are willing to be a part of slave RP, at least in the short term. I think on the particular day when Fala was auctioned, all were bought with the intention of being set free, and it seems highly unlikely that this would happen in Booty Bay, of all places.

On the point of Fala, I don't think -anyone- but the richest noble or the Baron of Booty Bay could have truly bought him.
I mean, they were aware he was a demon hunter, right?

[Miah]

Bailey would have given everything she owned to buy the demon hunter. I think he might of swallowed his own tongue to avoid the situation xD

[Jurkey]

Just make IC money, as before the restart
Would resolve this whole thing.

[Amerason]

Just make IC money, as before the restart
Would resolve this whole thing.

Well on this quote, I entirely agree... this was one of the best systems employed on CoTH without a doubt. Made slaving and stuff on Jabtok so much more fun, I had high hopes of using this within Atal Sul extensively.

However, with the lack of this to solve my character's own financial problems, Gwydd has a sack of money I created on GHI that is nothing special save for that I use it to keep track of how much gold he has. It started with absolutely nothing and him spending his last gold on a round of ale and a feast one night before he left on an adventure... well through actual IC-Interactions and mercenary contracts(GM puppeted stuffs) Gwydd had accumulated 27G, 17S, and 87C. It so far has worked well for me!

P.S. Not trying to derail your topic guys!

[Grakor456]

1). I think it's a tad stupid that there were enough do-gooders there with the gold to buy all the slaves just to set them free.
2). I find it very unlikely that there would be -that- many do-gooders in BB period. Especially considering that BB is effectively a pirate port, run by the Steamwheedle Cartel. Both are known for being evil. While BB is a neutral town, that only counts for the Horde/Alliance relation. In fact, it is the -last- place a paladin or any such holy light weilder would want to go.
3). Booty Bay ICly has a strong slave trade. Hell, goblins are okay with people walking around with slaves in broad daylight. BB is probably the worst place for people who hate slavers and slavery to go. It's a damn haven for them.

I think people are over-estimating Goblin "evil". Goblins are shady, deal in trades that most people would not, and are greedy, but they are not evil as a rule. They have their own moral standards (even if it's mostly to keep appearances so they can earn more money) and aren't out to stab people for the sheer sake of it. If I were to pin the Cartel as any particular alignment, it would be "Chaotic Neutral."

Also, if it matters to you, I don't think the Goblins much appreciate slaves being paraded in public either, actually. If you're going by the d20 books, in Dark Factions it states (on page 116) that Goblins do consider slave trade a legitimate practice, but keep such transactions quiet and discreet, in order to not possibly offend other future customers. I hate to bring the d20 into this, but I also don't know where the whole "goblins love slave trade!" idea came from originally.

[Lynoa06]

Not meanign harm, but see. That's the exact reason why people are avoiding RP. Poor quality stuff happens and, while I'm not bashing (at least not like I would on character profiles), there are ridiculous things happening.

I'm not bothered by the idea of slavery (I have a rather good reason, anyways), at least in Booty Bay, but keep it discreet, don't begin acting hotshot, be IN CHARACTER (if you're roleplaying a poor character, don't buy Falathorei), and most of all, make it truly worthy. That would begin by handpicking the "slaves" party and making sure they don't run inactive or are just interested as a mood, and also make them understand the IC inplications.

Also, I'd love to point on what happened between one of Althorei's "pets" and a Booty Bay evildoer the name I won't reveal - MAKE SURE people are OOCly fine with what you're about to do. Without being harsh, there are rules set, and respect is the first one. Some people can't take stuff like slavery, or even more unspeakable things - and I did hear they happened with the victim rather unwitting...

Just my two copper coins.

[Ben]

The idea of parading the slaves, I believe, would come from the actual slave trade. Slaves were 'shown off' in an attempt to sell them when they were escorted from the vessel.

But that's a different social situation. Slavery was the norm there. I believe Goblins wouldn't care about hobgoblins being sold openly for slavery, as it doesn't matter to them; hobgoblins generally aren't big spenders, to my belief. Horde and Alliance slaves could case aggression from their respective faction members for their release. I'm not saying it would, merely that it could. Who wants to annoy your customers, they're always right!

Orcs, Trolls, and Forsaken; with less moral Tauren and Blood Elves, wouldn't be too offended to the trade in Alliance slaves for example, and the same applies to the Humans, and maybe some Dwarven and Gnomes of the Alliance, toward Horde slaves. So perhaps faction appropriate next time?

This eliminates the problem of pity; they just wouldn't care. We've all seen how the Forsaken treat Humans and Dwarven in the Royal Apothecary Quarter. We know how Orcs were treat by Humans in the internment camps. Theres my input ^^

[Amerason]

Just remember that slavery is outlawed in the Horde by Thrall; as for the Alliance's take on it, I am not sure.

[Grakor456]

Just remember that slavery is outlawed in the Horde by Thrall; as for the Alliance's take on it, I am not sure.

It's outlawed by both factions, and they find the practice itself abhorrent. While they may be less inclined to care if it's of races of the other faction, that's not to say that Orcs, Humans, etc. wouldn't still be very annoyed at the practice. For example, Orcs would likely see it as dishonorable and that a human slave would deserve a better death for being a worthy opponent, and so on. Plus, everyone knows that if they enslave one side, they're just as likely to do it to the other. Neutrality at its best.

[TwilightDisciple]

Ooh, a thread relevant to my interests!

1). I think it's a tad stupid that there were enough do-gooders there with the gold to buy all the slaves just to set them free.
2). I find it very unlikely that there would be -that- many do-gooders in BB period. Especially considering that BB is effectively a pirate port, run by the Steamwheedle Cartel. Both are known for being evil. While BB is a neutral town, that only counts for the Horde/Alliance relation. In fact, it is the -last- place a paladin or any such holy light weilder would want to go.
3). Booty Bay ICly has a strong slave trade. Hell, goblins are okay with people walking around with slaves in broad daylight. BB is probably the worst place for people who hate slavers and slavery to go. It's a damn haven for them.

I pretty much agree, buuuuuuuuuuuuut...........

I think people are over-estimating Goblin "evil". Goblins are shady, deal in trades that most people would not, and are greedy, but they are not evil as a rule. They have their own moral standards (even if it's mostly to keep appearances so they can earn more money) and aren't out to stab people for the sheer sake of it. If I were to pin the Cartel as any particular alignment, it would be "Chaotic Neutral."

Also, if it matters to you, I don't think the Goblins much appreciate slaves being paraded in public either, actually. If you're going by the d20 books, in Dark Factions it states (on page 116) that Goblins do consider slave trade a legitimate practice, but keep such transactions quiet and discreet, in order to not possibly offend other future customers. I hate to bring the d20 into this, but I also don't know where the whole "goblins love slave trade!" idea came from originally.

^

Booty Bay and Ratchet, who have their own slave trades, would likely have slave sales held off to the side someplace. They may have a special dock where slave ships come in, and an auction house. They may be transported in cages that are likely more like those iron boxes with the small windows we see IG sometimes, depending on the slave. This would be especially true for Ratchet.

A person looking to buy a slave wouldn't be incredibly open about it, but they would know how to pull some strings to get directions and admissions to the auction/sales floor. This may not be a 24-7 thing; it's probably a huge occasion when a slaver brings in new chattel. Previous customers and interested parties may get private invitations to the event. I would also imagine, too, that some slavers may have certain types of slaves they specialize in breaking (or unbroken). I won't elaborate, but I'm sure you can come up with a few categories.

As far as goodie goodies, I'm sure there are networks of people trying to pool funds to save what slaves they can, either providing refuge for escaped slaves or, riskier yet, going to these auctions and floor sales to buy and release. They're probably not very well liked by the moguls who have investments in slave trade, mainly because they're probably seen as a nuisance more than anything. I think the slave trade may be one of those "tragic" situations where the offenders have far more money than the liberators since the entire trade is actually supported by a government of sorts.

Some things to consider:

A one-dimensional slave that will run if freed might not always work consider the following:
a. A slave with Stockholm syndrome - would return to the slaver
B. A slave that is evil and would stalk, rob or kill his releaser
C. The slave might not be a slave at all. It may just be a scam to fleece the dogooders
D. Though its legal to trade slaves in bb, consider taking a more blackmarket type approach. Perhaps as a slaver you would prefer to sell only to shady customers.

As for slave rp, I would hope that these are real, established characters who are being sold and not just an alt that was pulled from thin air. I would love to have randian buy one provided that;
1. The rp is long term
2. The character is established.
3. The slave character is compatible - ie. Has the right mindset etc...

What might work is totake orders then hunt one down.
Ie. Make an x gold deposit, hunt one meeting the right description, complete the transaction.

Slavery RP is so intense and complex; Stockholm's is a good setup that I've seen not utilized all that much in slave RP. Also "C" sounds like an interesting scenario; some slaver's plant disrupting the liberators in more ways than one.

Lastly, I don't think attacking the validity of the do-gooder's rp is the best way to approach this. Let them do what they would... Just learn to work with them.
If you are a slaver and see that some one-dimensional goodies are coming then perhaps have a buddy prepare to follow them and get the slaves back when freed.

Yeah, slavers should be prepared for this kind of thing, protecting their assets and whatnot. They tend to work best in groups for these exact reasons. These situations would add intensity to the role of a slaver.

[Miah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy3AKepEGRU

My evidence on how goblin's treat slaves, and how much they actually care bout them

Also, slight Cataclysm spoiler warning for the strict hehe