Holycowman Wrote:Well, to me rape is almost crossing the line in rp, even if both parties agree to it. I understand some things happen in life, but ICly some things should just be left alone.
That's the thing.
If we start regulating what is and what is not allowed to include in your own fantasy universe, we're taking a big step in the wrong direction. Roleplaying is not real, and should never, ever get close to becoming real. We're creating a story together, and by beginning to set up rules for what is allowed and what is not allowed to be in that story... It will be the beginning of a very evil circle.
Everything is allowed as long as it follows protocol, and we have rules to regulate how things are supposed to be handled OOCly. The topic at hand is not allowed to be discussed WHATSOEVER in ANY public channels. The ONLY exception is if your character discusses something like it IN-CHARACTERly - within the RolePlay.
As long as everything is done in private and follows all of the rules, whatever goes.
So, as blunt as this is going to sound... The fault does not lie with those who chose to do this kind of RP (as long as they follow all of the rules). The fault lies with those who push it so far (OOCly) that it forces people to bring it up to become an OOC issue.
IC =/= OOC.
In the end, it's up to each and every player to decide what they want to include in their own story. But that shouldn't, in any way, get in the way of another player's story.
I agree with Loxmaradin. But I also would like to make the point that if it is being done right, not only by the people directly involved, but also the people indirectly involved, like the people who find out OOC, it should never be brought up in the OOC channels. It irk's me when things that are going on privately between characters suddenly becomes public knowledge on the general chat channels, and people start discussing their own opinions on the matter. Details of RP that was not your own should not be discussed, or criticised by anyone other than the people directly involved unless it specifically breaks a rule, at which point a GM should be informed rather than everyone who happens to be in the chat or barrens channel at the time. The people involved are keeping it private, so I find it strange that those who are not involved feel they must voice their opinion publicly in game, or make it common knowledge that its going on.
Not only is it just common courtesy, but it also leads to metagaming, in which people will go to the area with foresight of what's going on, and harass the players involved IC. I've seen it happen, and it's just not very pro-active for the server.
Miah Wrote:Not only is it just common courtesy, but it also leads to metagaming, in which people will go to the area with foresight of what's going on, and harass the players involved IC. I've seen it happen, and it's just not very pro-active for the server.
That's my main concern on the topic to be honest. Sometimes players will use OOC knowledge and have it translate into IC action in situations where certain players engage in 'objectional' RP. Everyone will want to play the hero to bring the evil rapist to justice, meta gaming it up to do so. And that's a big no-no.
Guess I'll re-iterate what's been said 50 million times before.
Any RP that is done in private and between consenting adults is fine. It should not be regulated.
...and, to be honest here, you just have to accept the fact that people will do freaky shit anywhere you go on the internet. There's no point in making a big deal out of it or 'outing' that character through OOC channels. That just breeds rumor mongering and disrespect. As long as its done between consenting adults and as long as its in private, you shouldn't be bothered by it.
I'll admit I'm not comfortable with the topic of rape. But at the end of the day, who am I to judge, eh?
For me, I keep a policy that I'm normally under a character warning, with -whatever- I do and -wherever- I go, 24/7. Any of my characters can get maimed, tortured, dismembered, and even raped.
I personally don't care most of the time as to what happens to any of my characters, half the time I have some of the more combat based ones charging off to their deaths or picking a fight with someone.
Rape, is a different story, however. I really don't care for it much, if it was to happen to one of my characters. Of course I wouldn't want to RP it out, rather void that and carry on. I'm fine with IC rape as well, -as long as it's held accountable.- The other player needs to not force anything upon the victim's player, they should ask OOCly before attempting anything of the such.
I would like a heads up that my character is about to be attacked, as anyone would. Rape goes in the same boat, a private OOC whisper warning would be welcomed.
McKnighter Wrote:For me, I keep a policy that I'm normally under a character warning, with -whatever- I do and -wherever- I go, 24/7. Any of my characters can get maimed, tortured, dismembered, and even raped.
McKnighter Wrote:For me, I keep a policy that I'm normally under a character warning, with -whatever- I do and -wherever- I go, 24/7. Any of my characters can get maimed, tortured, dismembered, and even raped.
I don't mean to be a discussion killer, but is this thread going anywhere? I don't think anyone is going to budge in their position, and seeing this topic in the recent posts box is quite...well, it makes me feel ill. To put it bluntly.
For some of us it's rather constructive to explain how they deal with it, whether it be a sort of character warning, or planned before hand.
The big problem is the OOC reactions of some other people, and the rumors certainly spread that someone told me an example of like rape and the Catacombs, then I talked about it to someone else, and so on and so forth. Then it comes to people complaining about the rp, but in the end it seems no one tries to OOCly discuss their problems with the person who owns the character(or at least that's what Binkleheimer told me).
Wuvvums Wrote:For some of us it's rather constructive to explain how they deal with it, whether it be a sort of character warning, or planned before hand.
The big problem is the OOC reactions of some other people, and the rumors certainly spread that someone told me an example of like rape and the Catacombs, then I talked about it to someone else, and so on and so forth. Then it comes to people complaining about the rp, but in the end it seems no one tries to OOCly discuss their problems with the person who owns the character(or at least that's what Binkleheimer told me).
Great, and I can see how it's constructive. However, it -has- been discussed, and the point of rumors has been brought up. Discussion between parties is good, and I'm for it. RP what you want. Keep it to yourself.
However.
As a survivor, seeing this constantly in the recent posts box is highly disturbing to me. I really don't like pulling any sort of victim card, but...yeah. And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Anyway. I think I'm going to stop posting in this thread.
You could choose to ignore it. While actual rape is a highly traumatic experience, it doesn't mean that those of us dealing with this sort of rp have the same thing in mind. In fact, some survivors choose to have fantasies like this so they can find a way to take a spin on their traumatic experiences and cope with it. I'm not saying that what you experienced is trivial, but it's not the same as the roleplays going on, and none of us would want the things that we do in character to happen to anyone else in real life, I am sure.
If you don't like the discussion you can ignore the topic. Some of us have been victims(I myself, but I choose not to elaborate) but still choose to accept this kind of roleplay.
Well you need to understand not everyone feels the same way about the same things.
I have been watching this topic since it started and I too feel it has been stretched.
I'm not going to use my victim card to go either way.
The point is that someone is uncomfortable with an uncomfortable topic.
Accepting this type of RP has nothing to do with respecting someone's feelings.
I am pretty sure everything that can be stated has been stated.
If not, I feel this needs to be taken to more private discussions.
"Everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are..."
-Niccolò Machiavelli
Its unfortunate that this topic has made someone feel uncomfortable. But I agree with Wuvvums. If we don't discuss these things, then it could cause genuine upset if boundries such as total OOC consent were not established. Im sure the topic may have affected many people directly and indirectly in real life, but it's a case of being mature and simply not getting involved in OOC discussion -or- roleplay that causes you discomfort, but not reacting by simply not allowing it to be discussed at all.
I hope I don't upset anyone saying this, but I see it as the lesser of two evils, if it sets down some guidelines, voices opinions maturely, and ensures that this delicate subject is treated with the sensitivity it warrants in game.
I'm not saying it should have never been brought up.
I'm not saying we should talk about it all of the time.
I don't see any point in going further when what should be stated was stated.
Imagine being a recent victim and logging on to something that's supposed to an escape, a hobby and you keep seeing the word "rape" in the recent forum posts.
People deal with things differently and it's hard to go around that, true. But still.
Anyway, I've said all I want to about this.
Don't try to talk to me in this thread about it, please.
"Everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are..."
-Niccolò Machiavelli
I did. It helped me deal with it. Like you say, people deal with things differently, and some people do so by talking about it rationally. Either way..I don't want this to be made a conflict, or about that, and you said don't reply to you about it here, so I'll stop, and apologise for any offence it caused you.
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