Death and Suffering

[Kretol]

From what I'm hearing of this chaotic event, most people who landed some killing blows are wanting to retcon their characters' involvements, yet still expect others to have been killed and whatnot.

Why is it that most of the RP mentioned involving BB is so substandard than what we should be holding ourselves to? In this instance, the attackers apparently expected to win with numerical advantages (or so they thought), but when things ended up going sour, they're changing their mind about participating? This won't fly, and I'm disappointed that people think this is okay. There's already so much confusion over what happened - to maintain consistency, I expect that whatever happened stay as is. As was stated, character warnings were given at the beginning, and even participating in such a big battle should have come with the expectation that death was possible. Character warnings should not have even been necessary.

I'm not sure why people are apparently content with participating in combat RP, but can't let go of their characters for a minimum of a week. To be honest, this is why I avoid combat RP - all the following drama and complaining.

(Posted via my phone)

[Soree]

Not to mention one has the chance to reject the Character Warning, and retire one self BEFORE the battle started.

[McKnighter]

Well, I have see characters who died in the fight, and have said nothing about retcon or anything, and wouldn't even answer me when I asked about it. This annoys me that people are just going to ignore that someone killed them in a character death situation, simply goes on about their RP as if nothing happened.


I suggest we either fully commit to the character warnings we accept, and understand that if our character reached 0 HP, he/she is now dead. This could be great character development, try to stay positive about it.


On the other hand, we retcon the entire thing, since people are already doing their own thing without formally explaining that they wanted their character to be retcon out of the fight.



Personally, I wish we could just go through with what we agreed with, and have the characters that died, actually -die-. It really irks me when people start to pull out of a fight to a death whenever their side starts to lose. The 'bad guy' side actually tried and be helpful to some of the other side's characters, we actually spared a few by staying they were K.O.


But, I don't even know anymore. It's all messed up. Wish we could have conflict and death without OOC drama, but that's just me. If Redis died again during that fight, I would've been okay with it. I took up the character warning and was going to abide by it.


Eh, rambled on enough.

TL;DR version: What Kretol said.

[c0rzilla]

QFT on what Kretol and McKnighter said. I OOCly stuck around to watch and remember the "good guys" raging when rolls went bad and going on about being famous if so and so killed Tavren.
Personally, I'd be happy if the whole mess was retconned and never spoken of again.

[Shane]

QFT on what Kretol and McKnighter said. I OOCly stuck around to watch and remember the "good guys" raging when rolls went bad and going on about being famous if so and so killed Tavren.
Personally, I'd be happy if the whole mess was retconned and never spoken of again.

I think it would be better if the CotH staff temporarily banned the dead characters for a week or something similar. Ignoring this would just lead to another such incident again.

[c0rzilla]

QFT on what Kretol and McKnighter said. I OOCly stuck around to watch and remember the "good guys" raging when rolls went bad and going on about being famous if so and so killed Tavren.
Personally, I'd be happy if the whole mess was retconned and never spoken of again.

I think it would be better if the CotH staff temporarily banned the dead characters for a week or something similar. Ignoring this would just lead to another such incident again.

I'll go with that, so long as it's the players that caused trouble. I don't think every casuality caused a problem.

[Uthaniel]

Okay. I wasn't there and I'm pathetically unaware of what's going on, so here's what I gathered so far.
1-> Tavren was ambushed and severely outnumbered outside BB.
2-> Tavren somehow (because of better rolls) ended up, if not being more than a match, at least putting up a good fight.
3-> People that outnumbered Tavren began RAEGQUITTIN' because they didn't epicly win against him.
4-> At least one person broke the one week rule after death without stating anywhere that they retconned their character's presence in the event, leaving it ambiguous wether they were ressurected awfully sooner or were never there to begin with (retconned).

Which brings us to...
People should learn to accept this kind of thing? I mean really. Everyone has bad days. Stuff happens, we move on. We're going to retcon a massive event because some people weren't happy on how it turned out. The way I see it, the person with most reasons to actually want a retconning and be displeased with the event would be Tavren, that is dealing with things with maturity. There's no reason to retcon the event just because you didn't manage to defeat Tavren without minor to no casualities, and I'm curious.

If this gets retconned.
The people that attack him, will try it later again? And if they don't succeed in the wanted manner again, they'll want to retcon another time? And keep doing it until they win?

That just doesn't work, does it? If you want to retcon so bad, I think it's only fair that an agreement is made that an attack like this -doesn't happen again- to avoid this happening in the future.

[c0rzilla]

Okay. I wasn't there and I'm pathetically unaware of what's going on, so here's what I gathered so far.
1-> Tavren was ambushed and severely outnumbered outside BB.
2-> Tavren somehow (because of better rolls) ended up, if not being more than a match, at least putting up a good fight.
3-> People that outnumbered Tavren began RAEGQUITTIN' because they didn't epicly win against him.
4-> At least one person broke the one week rule after death without stating anywhere that they retconned their character's presence in the event, leaving it ambiguous wether they were ressurected awfully sooner or were never there to begin with (retconned).

Which brings us to...
People should learn to accept this kind of thing? I mean really. Everyone has bad days. Stuff happens, we move on. We're going to retcon a massive event because some people weren't happy on how it turned out. The way I see it, the person with most reasons to actually want a retconning and be displeased with the event would be Tavren, that is dealing with things with maturity. There's no reason to retcon the event just because you didn't manage to defeat Tavren without minor to no casualities, and I'm curious.

If this gets retconned.
The people that attack him, will try it later again? And if they don't succeed in the wanted manner again, they'll want to retcon another time? And keep doing it until they win?

That just doesn't work, does it? If you want to retcon so bad, I think it's only fair that an agreement is made that an attack like this -doesn't happen again- to avoid this happening in the future.

I just miss Fergal. >.> But, really. I'm sticking with the retcon idea. Sure, they'd come after him again (if he allows it), but this whole mess is just...a tarnish.

[LostStranger]

I was the first to suggest any form of retcon, near the end of the event.

But Anski discouraged the idea and so I kept with that of "Yo, y'all died. Especially Tav."

[LostStranger]

Alright. It's flatly, blanket retconned. It never happened. Let's get on with our lives.

[rodentjoe]

I feel as though I should appologize for being a pain in this situation as well. I brought my character, Arn, back as well after the fight (cause he was the only good character I had at the moment).... So sorry about that, but I geuss it doesn't really matter much anymore cause it's retconed. I'll spread the word around about the retcon, and I'll also make another character, so I can have my other character's be a little bit more replaceable in the future.

Thanks for the retcon, sorry for the trouble.
~RodentJoe

[iHollow]

Well hm, everyone seems to miss Fergal.. I feel kinda bad because I executed him TWICE on Aranthios :3. Anyways, I noticed their has been a lot of confusion and I was told to go to this topic by Tavren. Everyone who died should still be dead, a Character Warning was given. People decided to stay, and people who died should stay in that position like Nienge. Luckily Aranthios survived the battle so their is a one time resurrection possible is that correct?

Edit: I also think a retcon is stupid, I didn't waste my time participating in that awesome battle for nothing.. I hope you realize even though we lost this hasn't stopped The Legacy Brotherhood, The Tri Written, and the Alliance Volunteer Army for continuing. We still strike over 30 members all together, so why would we want to retcon in the first place?

[Xigo]

I personally despise the idea of retconning this. However, due to the drama revolving around it, I somewhat believe it to be the only solution here.

This will never happen again though. Accept the consequences for your character's actions in the future.

[Miah]

I...Am actually a little annoyed after reading this that it will be retconned. I mean, can you imagine the rage if the heroes won, and the villian just said "Newp, I planned to win, so i'm still alive. Sorry bout that." I don't see why anyone should be allowed to get away with that, and I personally think character death should be forced on the character's involved. You shouldn't be willing to kill other player's character's without being willing to give up your own. Letting this slide will just make it so we have more and more "hero" characters who will do as they please knowing they are safe in the fact they can just say "newp" and carry on as before. Its ruining rp for those who are not playing linear good characters..

I rarely rant but its just...bleh...seems to go against a lot of the rules we all signed up to when we joined, and I think its beginning to show that people know they can get away with it freely, as long as they complain enough about it, or just pretend it never happened.

[Uthaniel]

The decision isn't Tavren's to make. The staff is going to make a post deciding wether this particular event is retconned or not, unless Grakor's post was pointed at this (Which I personally think it also was). Until then, we should just wait for them to say something.