An appeal to fairness, warlocks, necromancers and the arcane

[Bovel]

Unless you're an inscriber. . .

And then you are not allowed to yourself not decide the form of the spell until you reach the knowledge level of creating and forming your own runic combinations.

[Jeff]

The GMs have established their point on it. The game mechanics have established their point on it. Like all things of this nature, it is our duty as the player base to decide why our characters no longer apply themselves to their former talents. Nearly all Male Night Elves slipped into the Emerald dream to learn druidism. It is the duty of the majority of the Male Night Elves to explain why they either no longer use Druidism, or why they did not enter the dream in the first place. Similarly, it is a Warlock/Necromancer/whatever's duty to explain, themselves, why they can only use twisted Arcane spells or what have you.

[Miah]

"I am warrior! I like to use swords, but from now on, im going to start training in using spears! Uh oh! Now I have forgotten how to use a sword. Herpy derp!"

Anyone can pick up a sword and swing it around, that don't make you a swordsman. People can devote their life to one weapon and still not be a master of it compared to those with more aptitude to the weapon. Same goes for magic; you are good at what you focus at and it's not as easy as just flicking spells out of a book.

Point taken, but if you spend 10 years with a sword, then switch to spears for a few years your not gonna be totally inept at using a sword. Id like to think that someone who was a mage for 5-10 years wouldnt forget everything once they took up a darker art.

[Scout]

Point taken, but if you spend 10 years with a sword, then switch to spears for a few years your not gonna be totally inept at using a sword. Id like to think that someone who was a mage for 5-10 years wouldnt forget everything once they took up a darker art.

It's not about forgetting how to use Mage spells, it's about being physically incapable of doing so, especially with warlocks, with the magic being mutually exclusive. And, in the case of some warlocks and necromancers, they were never even mages in the first place, and it wouldn't make sense to have spells of both types.

Even the D20 kind of says that multiclassing between different types of arcane magic is practically unheard of. There is a list of spells which all Arcanists share, but there are also unique spell lists. Any Arcanist can scry, but not any Arcanist can polymorph or raise undead or drain the souls of their enemies.

[rodentjoe]

I don't see what the big deal is. Warlocks are simply mages with a different source of magic, and almost everything a mage can do can be done by warlocks just a little differently.

Sure warlocks can't use arcane missle, but they got shadow bolt. Which is basicaly the same thing only EVILER.

Sure mages can't use demons, but they can use familiars. Which are basicaly the same thing only less EVIL.

Prohapes Warlocks can't portal or blink, but they can walk through the shadows ( http://www.wowpedia.org/Shadowmage ). Which is basicaly the same thing only EVILER.

And weather or not a warlock can heat something up, or cool something down with magic. I don't think it's really OP either way....

[Bovel]

Point taken, but if you spend 10 years with a sword, then switch to spears for a few years your not gonna be totally inept at using a sword. Id like to think that someone who was a mage for 5-10 years wouldnt forget everything once they took up a darker art.

OK, here goes;
A fresh apprentice, aka just learnt the basics of magic, spends 10 years on fire magic. (10 XP Fire)
A Kirin Tor mage invites the mage to Dalaran under the condition that fire magic is dropped, so next five years will be spent on the study of frost. But ten years wont go lost over a night. (5 XP Fire, 5 XP Frost)
Let's say said apprentice really likes fire and therefore spends 1/5th of his time honing fire during the five years of frost-studies. (6 XP Fire. 4 XP Frost)

I could go on forever with mathematical analogies. Yet the point is clear. Another note on the subject is magic in Trudvang, a caster can only remember X spells each day based on Intelligence, and out of these he may cast as often as he can. If he wish to cast another spell he will need a book and a few hours to zoom it in.

[Jerodan]

Personally, I don't see why a Mage would turn to those other sources for power. The way I view it is going to those is a cop out. A way to seek power with sacrifice rather than attaining it through raw focus and training alone. Perhaps even an "easy way out" for the Mage who is having difficult and can't seem to focus enough to master even the most basic of spells. I'd think most Mages who would give up their hard worked practices in exchange for the sacrifices required would most likely see their old spells as useless now and dedicate their time and effort into honing these newly gained skills. When in public, I'd assume they'd even waiver themselves a comman man or an alchemist over being a Mage anyways since their taint could possibly corrupt even a basic spell revealing them for what they are.

Btw: I'm not claiming to know a lot of lore on the subject and I could totally be wrong about this entire post. This is just my reflection on what has been discussed thus far.

[BountyHunter]

There are many reasons a Warlock may turn from Arcane to use the Fel. For an example, my Warlock turned to the Fel because it just felt really good to use (As it does).

[LostStranger]

*Valid observations*

Fel is the fast track to power, what can I say?

[Arrillion]

Oh well, even though it defies realism,I gues the GM's word is final, and we have little to say about it, guess we'll have to think of fellish alternatives for mage powers.

[Krent]

I would multi-class a Death Knight Gunman Runemaster. So I could dual-wield magic rune-inscribed shotguns that shoot fireballs and plague death. I'd be so cool. People would see me, and be like, "Oh wow, what a cool guy. I want my children to be like him when they grows up.".

And they will, if they eat their vegetables and drink their soy milks.

[ToxinDoctor]

I would multi-class a Death Knight Gunman Runemaster. So I could dual-wield magic rune-inscribed shotguns that shoot fireballs and plague death. I'd be so cool. People would see me, and be like, "Oh wow, what a cool guy. I want my children to be like him when they grows up.".

And they will, if they eat their vegetables and drink their soy milks.

One day...

[Grakor456]

The thread title amuses me.

It is precisely for fairness that we do not allow multi-classing or warlocks using mage spells. If every 'lock can teleport, create portals, and conjure food and water, what would be the point of playing a mage?

[Arrillion]

Wel various reasons:

Warlocks are evil, magi are good. So the nature of the rp they'll get is likely to be very different.
Warlocks are not wel liked. Getting rp with warlocks is pretty hard, most people would kill you if they are convinced you are a warlock, sadly with the DH's around that risk become real.
Being a warlock has it's downsides, you'd have to be evil, become corrupted and fight to safe your own sanity.
In rp combat, being a mage or a warlock generally makes no difference.

So there's a few reasons why one would still roll a mage.

[LostStranger]

In rp combat, being a mage or a warlock generally makes no difference.

...You're kidding, right? They're ultimately barely alike, with even the most dedicated to "Destruction" being at least of a far more hellish flavor than Pyromancers.