Thumbs down?

[JackofBlades]

YOU FOOLS, WITHOUT THUMBS UP I WILL NEVER BE APPROVED OF. Frankly, I don't care, thumbs down? feh, people are stupid when it comes to the ability to down somebodies work, thumbs up is worthless to me, if people want to be proud that they got 100 thumbs up, so be it, leave it at that.

[DiesUltime]

He has a point, if your agrument is that it shouldn't matter if someone dislikes your post, then why does it matter at all?

Mm. If it hurts feelings so bad to have the dislike, then does that mean that the likes are just an ego boost? Seems rather pointless, and just a method of attention getting.

And you have a point Jack. But it's more the way it's being presented. The whole "Thumbs up" idea of it is rather funny. You get a thumbs up on something, it ends up on the toplist. Why? It may not be because the information in you thread is useful. Hell, it seems that the top of the toplist is the thread talking about the toplist. Two are posts talking about "reform". One is a ragepost. The other is a system that isn't used.

Without there being a thumbs down, or some sort of quiet system to bump stuff off the toplist, it just becomes a "What thirty some odd people happened to maybe like" thing.

[JackofBlades]

Friendship...do I even have to explain? Thumbs up can end up on the toplist, but...what the hell is a toplist? and why does it matter? I'm being blunt tonight because beating around the bush is as useful as shooting a buffalo with a twig.

[DiesUltime]

That's what I'm getting at. There is a lack of definition and I just don't understand the use of the system. It's like a prommie toy.

[Kage]

Honestly, if we're going to have this whole tops list, why not change it to how helpful the bloody things are instead of if it's funny or not. Change the thumbs up to helpful. Thats what I say.

[Loxmardin]

Honestly, if we're going to have this whole tops list, why not change it to how helpful the bloody things are instead of if it's funny or not. Change the thumbs up to helpful. Thats what I say.

Well, that's essentially the same thing with prettier buttons.

System was implemented for the purpose you just mentioned, to promote the helpful posts. Or rather, posts that people view as helpful or beneficial to the community.

Then it's up to the people who use the feature to judge what they believe is helpful, you know.

[Kage]

Well honestly, most of the stuff isn't helpful, just something cool that they liked. At least separate the two. That would make sense, no? One for cool things and another for things that are actually helpful.

[DiesUltime]

Reh. Then it just gets confusing. I still think some sort of private "Thumbs down" is a good idea.

And here's how it'd work so people wouldn't feel flammed.

If you get a thumbs down on your post, you wouldn't see it. Same goes for thumbs up, meaning noone would have their names displayed below, yatta yatta. The tally would be private, and be a factor in what's displayed on the "Top list".

Every thumbs down would count as a veto against the thumbs up. The ammount of thumbs up/thumbs down would be irrelevant, seeing as how the only marker would be what's on the toplist, and what is not.



NOW, maybe if there was a way to put a toplist for each separate forum, it could become more useful.




OR, here's another idea. Get rid of the system all together. The "Popular/Useful" topics are usually marked by the ammount of posts and views. Obviously if a topic is worth keeping up, it will garner a lot of posts, like Brutal Honesty did. Otherwise things should just die, and go away due to lack of posts.

[Kage]

Well that actually makes sense, damm myself for not thinking of it that way. But this whole thumbs up thing should be gotten rid of, its a popularity contest really. The more your liked, the more thumbs up your going to get.

[Psychyn]

I know that I would personally hate to see my posts thumbs downed, I'm a little insecure about myself. I like to know that people find my posts helpful and all of that, not the other way around. It's much better to have people say 'Hey! I like this idea!' rather than seeing them say 'Bah! This is pointless! Why'd you even post that?'.

This is something I can full heartily agree with.

The more your liked, the more thumbs up your going to get.

But this, is also something I've noticed. But that honestly bothers me less, then people down-rating my posts. I myself try to be neutral with my thumbs.

Heck, I thump up for useful information, or when my response is only a "I agree" post, or when something made me laugh real hard. That's worth a thanks from my perspective.

Looking at both the thumb up AND thumb down system, it will both be a popularity contest.

"I like you" -> Thumbs up.
"I dislike you" -> Thumbs down.

In the end, I believe it's better to solely have a thumbs up function, or none at all. But then again, I'll miss it if it's not around because it will mean I have to post more "I agree" posts with nothing more to it. I say keep the thumbs up, do not implant the thumbs down. Seems less hurtful this way.

If you get a thumbs down on your post, you wouldn't see it. Same goes for thumbs up, meaning noone would have their names displayed below, yatta yatta. The tally would be private, and be a factor in what's displayed on the "Top list".

This would raise the paranoia level of some people, as they can not see who thumbed their posts down and presumably can't see "Why?". Dislike someone? Hell, get all your friends to join in and thumb him down! Seeing he/she can only see how many people voted down, he/she will never know! I'm not trying to be cynical, but I can see it happen real easily. The person will see a huge load of thumb down's, and will lash out to who he/she think that might have voted him/her down.

Then again, maybe I'm thinking to negative. I do stick with my earlier request though. Keep the up's, forget the down's.

[DiesUltime]

Nono, see.

You couldn't see that you were thumbed down at all. Or thumbed up.

[Psychyn]

Then what's the point, as you clearly can not see yourself whether your post appeals to the community or not?

;3 I r confused!

[DiesUltime]

The point would be it's rank on the toplist.

If it's deserving, it'll be up there. If not, then it won't be.

[Psychyn]

Many things that deserve a thank gains a thanks, many things that do not deserve one gain one as well. I give both things thanks frequently.

I'm sticking with my earlier comment however, we do not really need a top-list as anything that wouldn't appear in the top list would automatically mean it's not good enough. And with enough friends, one can get into that top list real easily by having them vote, no matter of it's value.

I do appreciate you thinking along with the server and all though. ^.~ I just don't like the idea myself, for comments I started earlier. We don't need people criticising our posts with a thumbs down button, even if it doesn't appear to us our popularity will decide whether or not something deserves to be in the list. With solely a thumbs up button, it's less hurtful as people provide thanks when they feel like it, and not because it actually does something more.

Sure, it has the intention of making the posts that have good information easier to notice, but I think the general way it's used within the community (Or at least, the way I use it.) is to provide a thumbs up if I either agree with something, like the explanation, helped me in any way, or gave me a good laugh. I don't really look twice to the people I thumbed up, I care about the post.

Edit: Why do we need to voice our dislike that badly? Can't we just, shrug it off and walk away? Not everything has to be voiced.

[Loxmardin]

The only way I could see a "thumbs down" feature implemented, and working, is if it could simply remove the "thumbs up" to a minimum of "0" for a normal post. Since going into the negatives would just look plain wrong.

... Does that thought make sense at all? Yes? No?