Arena Slaves

[mangaboy111]

Basically I need more people to RP Lucius' arena team. He enslaved Celleste Whitegale and Eshash Ragehowl, to fight for his arena team, taking all the profits they earn for him self. However, I'm gonna kill off Eshash...

I need two people, one spell caster or magic based character, (Paladin, Shaman, Druid, Mage, Lock, or Priest any of these would do) and one warrior. They can be any race apart from blood elf.

[mangaboy111]

We've captured Tunkar so all we need now is a spell caster.

[c0rzilla]

I would advise against a paladin, if you don't mind my input. If played correctly, paladins are exceedingly law-abiding, and are not the type to fight for sport as a career. Even if they would be fighting for some sort of survival, the bad moral surroundings inherent in arena battles would ruin them. They would quickly lose their Light-given power, unless the paladin thinks every little thing he does, no matter what, is the Light's will. Priests as well, if Holy, though they are more flexible than paladins.

Good luck!

[Kepora]

if Alvar (my Wolvar submission) gets approved, you could try capturing him. I can't guarantee the safety of your fingers if you try, though! XD

[Wuvvums]

I thought you could only have one custom model at a time o:

[Kepora]

I thought you could only have one custom model at a time o:

http://www.conquestofthehorde.com/Thread...#pid215522

[mangaboy111]

I would advise against a paladin, if you don't mind my input. If played correctly, paladins are exceedingly law-abiding, and are not the type to fight for sport as a career. Even if they would be fighting for some sort of survival, the bad moral surroundings inherent in arena battles would ruin them. They would quickly lose their Light-given power, unless the paladin thinks every little thing he does, no matter what, is the Light's will. Priests as well, if Holy, though they are more flexible than paladins.

Good luck!

Cheers, but a slave is a slave is a slave. Like no matter what your beliefs are, you are a slave, do as you are told or in this situation die at your own refusal to fight in the arena. I dunno I think even like, the purest of Paladins in lore would fight it out until they found a way to break free.

The Scarlet Crusade are defo high on morals aren't they(!)

They still have the Light though they are clearly evil. It's just to show how the Light is a tool more than anything... if the Paladin had brains he'd say. "I must fight, survive! I shall smite these villains in the name of the Light, not my slave master! Light have mercy on their souls..."

I mean if the Light was so affected by the paladin's surroundings, damn... that would be really easy to defeat one. "QUICK PEOPLE THINK BAD THINGS!" No, just no, a trained paladin would stick to his/her three virtues to the bitter end. Not letting go, same goes for a priest. A failadin would give up and die... I'm not saying I want a paladin, because we have a Warrior anyway I don't need another melee class.

[Sol]

Cheers, but a slave is a slave is a slave. Like no matter what your beliefs are, you are a slave, do as you are told or in this situation die at your own refusal to fight in the arena. I dunno I think even like, the purest of Paladins in lore would fight it out until they found a way to break free.

The Scarlet Crusade are defo high on morals aren't they(!)

They still have the Light though they are clearly evil. It's just to show how the Light is a tool more than anything... if the Paladin had brains he'd say. "I must fight, survive! I shall smite these villains in the name of the Light, not my slave master! Light have mercy on their souls..."

I mean if the Light was so affected by the paladin's surroundings, damn... that would be really easy to defeat one. "QUICK PEOPLE THINK BAD THINGS!" No, just no, a trained paladin would stick to his/her three virtues to the bitter end. Not letting go, same goes for a priest. A failadin would give up and die... I'm not saying I want a paladin, because we have a Warrior anyway I don't need another melee class.

The Crusade only achieves this by taking the Rorschach approach and utterly refusing to compromise any of their principles. They have a stated intention which is in line with their interpretation of the Three Virtues and they do not vary or falter from it even in the slightest bit. This is how they retain their powers.

I think what c0rzilla, meanwhile, is saying there is that exposure to the corruption that surrounds arena slave fights will affect a Paladin's faith or at least cause them to dilute and bend their principles, thereby corrupting them and causing them to lose access to their abilities. It's a fair argument.

That said, if you can't find a caster, you're free to capture Stephen for a few fights.

[FlyingSquirrel]

The Scarlet Crusade are crazily twisted. Just saying.

[c0rzilla]

Actually, the Scarlet Crusade are high on morals. They're on better terms with the Stormwind Church than the Argent Dawn/Crusade is. Their morals are just darker in some cases. One has to be high on morals to be a paladin, whatever those morals are. Them being the crazy effs we see in-game is Blizzard's need for another enemy, their torturing is far more secretive than in-game gives them credit for.

And it isn't that simple as a paladin thinking "Boy, I'd sure like to have a night with that harlot over there", and he loses the Light. And it isn't about giving up and dieing out of despair. Giving up and dieing might actually be the better moral option in the environment of an arena, if you're put against other innocent, kidnapped slaves. They toss/tossed all kinds of people into the pit. The arena is not a place for honorable sport. Paladins are martyrs at the core, they will proudly die for their beliefs. It's what they're designed and trained to do, they are not survivalist opportunists, unless that opportunity presents itself to be the better moral option. Perhaps the arena master has stated "If you don't do this, I'll kill/ do bad things to X innocent person". That would provide some deep RP, I'll admit.

Sure, as an RP server, there will be exceptions to the rule. A lot of them. I'm honestly not trying to tell a person how to RP, but the paladin is a deeper class than people give it credit for. The Light they wield is strong, but so fragile at the same time.

I also suppose this isn't the place for this argument, so...adieu!

Edit: ohai guyz postin' before me

[Caravan]

If you need a caster (who probably wouldn't be able to put up much resistance to capture, sweet old lady that she is), I can present Kit for a figher.

[Revan]

I can probably make another spellcaster and let him join.

[mangaboy111]

This whole bad moral thing reaps of fanon, but what ever. Anyways, I was just saying it's not impossible... and being me I like what fits into lore but is nicely controversial anyways. I base everything on Blizzard lore, I see now why they keep things vague and it's to give you freedom. Ofcourse the Scarlet Crusade are twisted, the people they are supposed to represent are in a way even more twisted. But they are still the "Righteous" people who have the right to live in golden homes. Bah political stuff creeps up in wow a lot.

Back on track, yeah I'll go grab Stephen/Saetik when we are both online. Which ever I cross first.

I disagree with the whole corruption argument, I mean if they literally cast hexes then yeah, obviously... but corrupt people should only increase the Paladin's faith, fueled by their faith, a faith so so so strong they still follow their old ways even after X amount of things have happened to make it fall. It still stands, and strong too. I think, if Lucius was ever going to enslave a paladin, it would be one with enough will to survive the arena.

[Sol]

I disagree with the whole corruption argument, I mean if they literally cast hexes then yeah, obviously... but corrupt people should only increase the Paladin's faith, fueled by their faith, a faith so so so strong they still follow their old ways even after X amount of things have happened to make it fall. It still stands, and strong too. I think, if Lucius was ever going to enslave a paladin, it would be one with enough will to survive the arena.

I'd dispute that and say it depends entirely on the paladin in question. At the end of the day, the only thing every paladin is guaranteed to share is a raw philosophy and a belief in the Light. Exposure to what they'd define as sin and debauchery has caused enough pious people in our world to lose their trust in their object of belief, and I'd wager Azeroth is no different.

It's true that being a paladin requires much more than simply being pious. It's something that goes far deeper than that. But spending long enough in the company of prostitutes, addicts, corrupt merchants, thieves and hardened killers will do a number on anyone, and that's without being cast in chains, beaten, broken, and forced to fight and kill for sport at the same time. Sure, it might harden some people and reinforce their beliefs, but most people, even paladins, are not Space Marines. [/contribution]

It also occurs to me that Stephen has little to no offensive casting ability. If you do go ahead and grab him, I hope you don't mind him just throwing down buffs and heals and occasional fisticuffs. xD