Nocturnal Conclave WIP

[solinax]

Patch is once again up. Free of bugs! Everything should be working properly.

P.S. Yes, Ormica, they can. But they will not be treated with as much trust as usual members.

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Patch will be back up in a second!

[Ormica]

Okay, as expected

[Kretol]

12:35:49 To [Kalanis]: So long as you do something like post a link to your patch in the Guild Info or Guild News for your guild, I don't have any particular issue with it
12:36:02 To [Kalanis]: I just don't want any public links

I apologize if there was confusion. Also, bear in mind that requiring people to download something additional just to participate in guild RP can deter folks. And, after considering it, all this is really doing is encouraging people to get holed up in your building - the same thing that would happen if we created guild bases. RP outside that location ends up rarely happening.

[Rigley]

To note, I don't really understand why a custom patch should be necessary for a guild base. We have a good few areas available on the portal, some of them expressly meant to serve for guild headquarters. Personally I think those might do well to see some use, rather than making another location that requires a download and travel to get to.

[solinax]

requiring people to download something additional just to participate in guild RP can deter folks

I meant that people who wish to be a part of the guild -should- download the patch.

And Rigley. First of all. 1% of the RP locations are good for evil guilds. Second. None of the areas meant for guild headquarters would fit an evil guild. Oh yeah... Except for the catacombs maybe, that are a public RP location and are flooding with people + all evil guilds do their RP events there.

Now, Kretol. If you tell me to remove my patch, AFTER YOU ALLOWED ME TO USE IT. I will do so, also thanking you for those 3 sleepless nights that I spent in order to build all that. But I will remove it, yes.

[Sol]

requiring people to download something additional just to participate in guild RP can deter folks

I meant that people who wish to be a part of the guild -should- download the patch.

And Rigley. First of all. 1% of the RP locations are good for evil guilds. Second. None of the areas meant for guild headquarters would fit an evil guild. Oh yeah... Except for the catacombs maybe, that are a public RP location and are flooding with people + all evil guilds to their RP events there.

Now, Kretol. If you tell me to remove my patch, AFTER YOU ALLOWED ME TO USE IT. I will do so, also thanking you about 3 sleepless nights that I spent in order to build all that. But I will remove it, yes.

Installing a patch seems like a whole lot of hassle just to join the guild, and it strikes me as very poor play to have it as a mandatory requirement to join. A lot of people are wary of custom patches.

Moreover, there's far more in the way of places for 'evil RP' than the Catacombs. What about Shadesfell, Caer Darrow, Zeramas, Raven Hill? The various mage towers and manors? What was wrong with the Ruins of the Scarlet Enclave you were already using, before you created a custom patch to build a castle there? I mean, Shadesfell was outright designed to be used as a guild base by certain shadier guilds, but all these locations were free for you to use. The server has had a policy against people claiming 'guild bases' on a permanent basis for a long time now, and I'm surprised that building and modding your own onto the server is an exception, but it seems Kretol has no problem with it, so neither do I. Just don't pretend you did this for a lack of anywhere else to RP.

He isn't asking you to take it down. Far from it. At present, he's only asking you to remove the link from your public post and place it instead in your guild information in-game or your GMotD, which seems a perfectly reasonable request.

[solinax]

I did remove the link, Sol. And about half of the RP locations... Well. How to start. Zeramas would be an awesome guild location, yeah... If it had more than one table added there. Same goes to the original ruins of the scarlet enclave. The guild is Mostly made of horde players. So I guess Raven hill is a "no" too. If I remember correct.. Caer Darrow had the same problem. I think you get where I'm heading.

Once more. If Kretol tells me to take down the patch and stop using it I will.

[Delta]

It disappoints me to read things like that. Rigley has had a thread going for quite some time offering his furnishing services to locations which would be suitable for roleplay. I'm certain that he - or any other interested builder - would have been more than happy to add things like tables, chairs, cages, torture devices, or anything deemed essential to a roleplay location. Our builders have created some incredible locations for everyone to use already, and they're always looking for more things to prettify for the benefit of the server.

No one is asking you to stop using the patch, though. Even if we did, it would be impossible to enforce. It's on your computer, and although we can see you stuck in the walls or floating several feet in the air, we have no way to void its use. I share the concerns Kretol raised in his post, and have a few more of my own, but if you insist on using your secret base, use it you shall.

[solinax]

As far as I saw. Rigley's thread is for suggestions, not requests. When I asked your colleagues about decorating a place the answer was " I doubt anyone would do that. " So yes... Everyone keeps talking how this staff is always ready to build and decorate. But when I asked, I only received answers in the likes of " No. Rather not. " Or " I doubt anyone would allow it. " Now. If you have anything else to nag me about, I'd be thankful if it's done via PM-s. The subject discussed right now is " You people, having a problem with my -patch- not my -guild-. "

[Rigley]

As far as I saw. Rigley's thread is for suggestions, not requests. When I asked your colleagues about decorating a place the answer was " I doubt anyone would do that. " So yes... Everyone keeps talking how this staff is always ready to build and decorate. But when I asked, I only received answers in the likes of " No. Rather not. " Or " I doubt anyone would allow it. " Now. If you have anything else to nag me about, I'd be thankful if it's done via PM-s. The subject discussed right now is " You people, having a problem with my -patch- not my -guild-. "

First off, I don't appreciate this tone.

I won't press this much further, but I've never been personally addressed by anyone regarding furnishing Zeramas or many other locations, despite my advertising for such. If you've a suggestion that I haven't heard then go and ask away, because I often take them. There are obvious exceptions at times, but I doubt the act of furnishing would be talked down by anyone.

Everyone keeps talking how this staff is always ready to build and decorate. But when I asked, I only received answers in the likes of " No. Rather not. "

If someone on the staff has told you they'd rather not, that's that. But if you're going to make the claim that we're giving false advertising in this regard then I would at least ask that you attempt to contact other GMs first, or at least the one with a thread wholly dedicated to editing areas for RP use. It's for suggestions, yes, but if I'm no slave to whatever someone suggests be built-- it's always going to be suggestions, and again, I usually will take them.

[solinax]

Rigley. I'm speaking from personal experience. A long time ago when I said " Hey, Zeramas is nice, but can it be furnished? " I was told " No! There is no interest to that location therefore it will not be furnished. " Not going to say anything more. As I said, I wouldn't want to lean off the topic that this is indeed a guild thread.

[Cressy]

'A long time ago'

There was an entirely different staff long time ago.

I was apart of this staff.

This new one is entirely different.

[solinax]

I know you were Cressy... And... I hope that it is. Really.

[Cressy]

I know you were Cressy... And... I hope that it is. Really.

I don't know if that is supposed to sound snarky, but..

:C

[solinax]

I... Don't quite understand what you mean by "snarky" Cressy...

If it's something bad, then no. I didn't mean to sound sharp or accusing. 'Tleast not to what you said.

As for my other comments. They may sound a bit sharp, yeah... As Rigley said "First off, I don't appreciate this tone."

I don't care. I'm about to leave for good in a month ( +/- a few weeks ), so.... Yeah. Anyways. I really hope this has cooled down. I'll gladly answer more questions, more complains, more accuses in a PM. I kindly asked you all NOT to place those here.