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**Loxmardin** · (This post was last modified: 11-08-2012, 09:27 AM by Reigen.)

Hello everyone!

In order to let everyone who didn't partake in the Meet and Greet yesterday know what went down and to let people comment or further the discussions we had (or give additional input, whichever), I'll be posting up the logs (in modified format) of what went on.

Keep in mind I tried to make them as readable as possible so they're easier to follow, with grand headers and everything so to cut out everything that wasn't relevant to the discussion or didn't add anything to it.

Headers are basically named after WHO was presenting their "issue" at the time, in chronological order as the stick was passed around during the meeting.

Introductions/Communcation Concerns:

Spoiler:

Concerns/Big Discussion:

Spoiler:

DORAN/SACHIKOMAEDA

--- Air of cliques is an issue.
--- "Next issue I have ends to be with hte lack of clarity in some of the rules, as I've stated before. Sometimes I'll go point something to the GMs I think is rule breaking and it turns out it's just fine. So I just kinda go 'ohokay' and go back into hiding. Not saying anyone's doing a bad job, of course! Who knows. Maybe I'm just watching my back still from old stuff a few months ago. They know what I mean, I'm sure... But oh well... Anyways!"
.....Doran collects thoughts, "It all fell out of my head..."
--- "But like I said, I'd love to see an overhail of rules so no sort of dramatic scene happens again that could end up looking bad on someone's record. Sometimes it feels like RRRGH STIFF RULES BE PROFESSIONAL and we just forget how to cut loose and have fun. But that's just me. Anyways. Done. Unless questions or something."

ROYAL/CARTOONKARL

--- "My biggest concern and question is, where is the server going?"
--- "I have seen a few things when I first joined, and now that the summer is over there are less people. Now I get that because it is just the summer. But like Doran said earlier, the cliques make it hard to RP. Even now."
.....Maybe more events that bring people together?

MADAGA COMMENT: "I think the cliques are figments of peoples' imaginations, a barrier and excuse to not RP with people you think are too connected."

ROYAL AGAIN:
--- "Well, if they are imagination, then it must be theris, as I have tried to join a clique or two, but most of the time it fails, finding a group in RP is more of a luck based thing, now that I think about it. And I am done."

NIKODEMOS/NIKODEMOS

--- "My major concern is that nearly every concern that we could arrise to night has been discussed previously on an opinional standpoint though little is ever done to rectify said concerns in an active fashion. Some of you caught the C.T.I meeting post a week or so ago, that is tommorrow evening, I'll update the post tonight. I'd like to see those who are interested in actively making things such as the IC currency or server wide RP fuctional attend. Other than that, those of you on the forums know my stance on most issues. I'm done."

TELENDRIN/NOBLE

--- "Adding onto to what Royal said, I've felt a little excluded out of cliques although I haven't truly been seeking to enter any (as the last I've been in ended in inactivity and OOC issues) My main complaint is the lack of RP storylines I've been in on lately (and in a positive manner for my character, although most of the time IC negative things happening make for great developement, though this can get tiring) Right where was I?"

REIGEN COMMENT: "To note, I think a problem with joining cliques is when someone attempts to shove a character in with a group where the character just doesn't fit."

TELENDRIN AGAIN:
--- "-Continuing on my point, and a bit more about myself, I hope I haven't rubbed anyone the wrong way as my mannerisms can come off as inconsiderate and I hope I don't seem like a kiss-up to the GMs, but I think a way to resolve the "cliques" and discommunication feeling is to openly engage in RP more often, and even volunteer to start up a storyline or have characters join ongoing GM storylines, but like I said the communications issue really doesn't seem existant for me. Hopefully the whole GM-power thing won't intimidate people from that though, anyway feel free to make your comments now."

CORLMITZ/KRENT

--- "Cliques are a real thing. They're sociological phenomenoms(sp?) that happen both in real life and virtual communities. They're proven to one of the many forms of human socialization. They definitely exist, especially so here. ....that's it."

MADAGA/SCOW2

--- "I feel there's a bit too much rigidity in some places, especially because I keep creating off-the-wall characters that I then try to play seriously. Such as the issue of the relationship between Cereman and his best friend... and a fear of "Invincible Guards", which makes it REALLY difficult to play a truly 'Chaotic' character."

REIGEN COMMENT: "I know it can be frustrating to be told no on what can be a really cool character idea, but we try to keep CotH as lore friendly as possible. Close to Blizzard lore, that is."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "But the guards aren't invincible in Blizzard Lore. And WoW's lore is EXTREMELY inclusive."

KRETOL COMMENT: "Perhaps it would be ideal to elaborate on what the intention of the 'invincible guards' are... Essentially, I decided to make NPC guards nigh invincible with the express purpose of acting as enforcers in situations where characters are being nubs and trying to do stupid things in cities (or wherever the guards are) that they really shouldn't be getting away with. That, or ensuring characters present are actually safe from sudden and unwanted attacks. So, for almost all intents and purposes, instigators will not get away with murdering other people or the like without getting the hammer brought down by guards."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "I'm afraid that the "Stupid things in cities that they shouldn't be" clause is the one I'm most concerned of. Of course, part of my idea behind Cereman is that he's a pretty high-profile but otherwise harlmess troublemaker."

KRETOL ANSWER: "If you are able to work things out with characters present OOCly and agreements are made as to the outcome, then there's a lot more flexibility as far as guards are concerned."

TIDBIT IN RAID:

Quote:01:10:17 [Teztez]: Basicly, if you want to commit crime, don't do it on the street. Logic dictates NPC's would call out, if not the player, for help. And, not being our modern day and age, where cops drive around in cars, but are rather posted throughout cities.
01:10:25 [Teztez]: Or even posted at points within cities.
01:10:41 [Teztez]: Patrolling* Fuu brain.
01:10:56 [Madaga]: Well, not all crimes are equal. And it's hard to have a slapstick hijiinks chase when the guards are invincible!

REIGEN COMMENT: "The GMs are more than willing to work with someone about the guards, even to have a silly chase. In fact, Krilari did something similar not too long ago. If you spring it up suddenly without any prior OOC notice, expect them to act accordingly. If you have consent from players and a GM, then it can be worked into a fun situation for all."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "I feel that sometimes, excessive OOC planning can ruin the scene, though."

RIGLEY COMMENT: "Well, unfortunately OOC planning is very necessary if its going to involve the guards. Mostly because its often at the drop of the hat that a GM is asked to puppet them."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "Something I found on another site involving character creation is "Character concept/core/themes" that make it easier to understand what a character's about than the Big List, and it's really cutting into my portayal of Cereman's friend."

RIGLEY COMMENT: "Since we may be doing other things at the time, many of us may just wish to run in, take care of NPC business, and get back to our other stuff."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "Another concern I have is "GM's Word Goes" - Does that apply to character creation, which is a lot more deliberate than RP arbitration?"

REIGEN ANSWER: "If a GM says no on a concept, then it tends to be the GM's word goes. If you disagree, appeal to Kretol."

MADAGA AGAIN:
--- "Because I was looking through the "Denied Character Profiles" forum in hopes of finding a barrel of Lulz, but instead found dodgy reasonings." (SOME GET MOVED THERE ON REQUEST, AS A NOTE.) "I know that. But the ones that bother me are those that don't."

XELTI/GHURM

--- "Okay. So. Cliques. I have an observation. They seem to form around interests, such as RPing a certain race or part of lore. And OOC friendship that develops is never a bad thing. I just think that if we're all attentive to people wanting to join in on some RP then they can swap in and out of interests as they please. So long as nobody is being ignored."

REIGEN COMMENT: "Aye. I'm not going to lie, but it is an issue when someone asks to join something and they never get a response."

XELTI FINISH: "That's all I Had to say about the whole clique discussion."

NIKODEMOS/NIKODEMOS

--- "What is the common denominator amongst RP "cliques" as they have been dubbed. Generally it is a pre-existing storyline, which has likely been heavily documented in the IC posts. This often forgotten factor allows you to develop a character that fills a niche or at the very least has a common interest with said party. I do not need to emphasis the pro's and con's of having a variety of toons in regards to adaptability. This leads back into another major interest of mine, promoting a heavy forum presence. Most of those gathered here are heavily active on the forums and many of us know eachother passed on our writings their as adverse to actual RP. I advise such a presence to those who do not already have it, as it is a great tool for drawing yourself into the greater community. Think thats all on my mind right now."

CASSANDRA/PSYCHYN

--- "I fear that by now I've made another four macro's, with all the writing going on. Regarding my earlier raid comment, I do not wish to be snappy or rude. But I'd personally feel ignored if I put stuff down and people started to lulz around. Don't get me wrong. I am all for a non-srs server, and fun. I've tried to host drunken-raids on here if anyone recalls that. I speak before I think half of the time (unfortunately), but moments like these? :3 just listen. Now onto the macros I have."
--- "Regarding cliques.. Since I've made Cassie who can literally RP with everyone who's here right now, I've not felt alienated. I can easily walk up to anyone, wherever and just have social RP with them. Her backstory is rather empty, which allows for much more freedom ICly. I've RPed with elves, with dwarves, with people I never talked to before and ended up with a crazy storyline idea through that. I think the problem is not the cliques, but the limitations of characters that try to join those cliques for the RP. If the toon doesn't fit, or is plain racist to the other race, it's not going to go well. I also think -small- events would help out a lot. No major storylines, no epic battles. Small 5-man party events like I DM at rare times. Just for the people around at that moment to spark things up, which tend to be welcomed. Small events also allow you to share things, that you've been in but the other hasn't. Stories, tales! Things to talk about ICly! :3 And that would be it, apologies for the length."

MARKUSS/VLADDY

--- "I feel as if there's not a lot of involvement with the players is lacking. Now, I know there's real life and all that. In fact, I believe I realize that a lot myself, cause' I'm a father in real life. But when people are logged on, they're usually messing around in the OOC and hoping 'The Magic RP' happens. I often try and start some role-play up whenever I can, The current AP family storyline 'Westfall Blues' has recieved a lot of work, yet I have to stress that it's not some guild only thingamejig. Onto cliques; if I've honestly ended up starting one, then I wouldn't care if you joined it. cause' I'm not picky-choosy. Just know that some of my characters won't be particularly friendly IC. In fact, I have some pretty gruff characters. Probably call another character names or feel damned uncomfortable at a physical touch of any kind. Oh, and a little message from the Vladinator here. (That's me.) An absolute pile of things we assume as human beings is usually wrong. Sometimes a heiffer is just a heiffer, y'know? Well that's my hot air session."

REIGEN COMMENT: "Sadly a lot of player run events don't get the attention they deserve, mostly because they're not announced in bold yellow lettering. Next time, try catching a GM online to announce for you. Perhaps it will help spark up attendance."

DORAN/SACHIKOMAEDA

--- "Mmmyes. On the subject of Profile Denials. As a Forum Helper, it's our job to look over profiles, find kinks in lores, rule breaking, all that fun stuff so the GMs don't have to. Aside from Xigo whispering sweet nothings right now...
I know good and well it can be frustrating when something just won't seem to work. I try to give as much leeway as I can. There have been a few denials that made me go "Seriously, guys? :I " since it was over something seemingly minor. Do keep in mind our denials are very few and far between, and we usually do our best to work with a profile rather than go "LOLNOPE" to it." ((XIGODERPEMOTE: And at the end of the day, the GMs are always right.)) "And as Reigen said, if you thinnk the GMs are unfair in their rulings, you can always go to Kretol about it. He's really a swell guy. Though be careful notto cause a scene. A friend of mine has done so before. You can always dicuss character concepts with Forum Helpers, GMs, and Kretol. We're here to listen-- DARNIT XIGO"

CASSANDRA/PSYCHYN

--- "or.. Well. A small addition to what Xelti said earlier. When people do come to your RP, and are in the area. Just walk up to them, start a chat. And likewise, don't wait for the perfect opportunity. Be rude at times and butt into the IC conversation to get involved."

MADAGA/SCOW2

--- "My comment on sitting around in the OOC and waiting for RP: Can we please have the OOC area have an obvious "Inn"-type zone for instant logout? As nonsensical as it may sound, the 20 second logout has discouraged me from hopping characters to fit into RP." ((Comments follow about this has been tried unsuccessfully up until now.)) [Asks to repoen DJ Tauren application. Told to appeal to Kretol.]

DORAN/SACHIKOMAEDA

--- "TO KRETOL: Will we be seeing a return of the mount and/or pet vendor? If anything, with racial mounts. I'm so bad at finding some mount vendors. That was my only question for the almightly overlord... That I can think of."

KRETOL ANSWER: "I will not put racial mounts back on a central vendor, as I put them on each of the specific race vendors for both organization as well as the reputation restrictions."

DORAN, FURTHER: "And as far as critters/pets?"

REIGEN ANSWER: "The reason the pet vendors were taken out is because of a couple of reasons. First being there were pets on there you couldn't logically have ICly, second being to promote auctions."

DORAN, FURTHER: "Though one, we don't need the funky pets like drake whelps and stuff. Two, we don't do auctions anymore (aside from the few Caravan's done methinks). Just simple stuff like cats and perky pug maybe. I 'unno. Because you can just pick up a cat in Sillymoon!"

NIKODEMOS/NIKODEMOS

--- "My next thought was inspired by Xigo's whispers as well as the ones I am recieving. I would be willing to guess that we are all whispering someone, chances are that someone/s are people you commonly RP/plan with. When inspected a bit deeper this is a very good thing especially in regards to storyline development and event planning. I cannot emphasis enough the advantages of working with others to develop your storylines and RP. They will add depth that you never might consider on your own."

REIGEN RESPONSE: "Events tend to run smoother with two brains instead of run. I commonly, in my events, assign someone to story, someone to combat and someone to basic monster emotes."

NIKODEMOS AGAIN:
--- "I suppose what I'm trying to say is... The more you collaborate with others, the more "Cliques" as everyone seems to want to call them, you find yourself part of. All it takes is a little bit of initiative on your own respective part."

KELYNDA/MORHANA

--- "Ok, well, I mentioned earlier this morning a service I use called Raidcall. It's a bit like Skype and teamspeak and vent and all those, but with some differences. I feel it's a better service. Anyway, more on topic with the server... I feel with the proper server implementation of Raidcall could help with a few things. A group (essentially a server) for COTH could be made, and I can already think of a few types of rooms to make for a server group. Things like LF RP, LFG, guild specific rooms, a GM help room (with password, allowing only those involved in the situation). I can also imagine that people might like having a COTH radio-style room. essentially, at any given time, a DJ would be streaming music from their computer through raidcall (through a handy function given with the service). The biggest bonus, I feel with Raidcall, is that it's entirely free. Nobody has to pay anything to use it or run a group or anything." ((KRETOL WILL HAVE TO TEST RAIDCALL. For Raidcall testing and such, add: [email protected]))

XELTI/GHURM

--- ((SUGGEST WE OPEN A POST-M&G DISCUSSION THREAD. IT WILL BE DONE.))

LENDRI/LENDRI

--- "I was browsing around on the forums out of curiosity for CMCs. Though there isn't really a guideline to follow that I could find, or a list of acceptable CMCs you can try out for. I know Kretol had posted a sticky on the forum regarding them about not requesting anything too ridiculous, but is there a list of common CMCs that are more easier to obtain than others, or easier to apply for?" ((ANSWER: NOT REALLY. JUST AVOID THE BIG 'NO'S LIKE DRAGONS.))

NIKODEMOS/NIKODEMOS

--- "I would advise checking out the C.T.I. meeting post if you haven't already. I stress highly however that the focus will concern How and Who in regards to what can be done to better the discussion. There a links to relevant discussion threads in the post. The list is on the wiki."
--- "List of races not allowed anyhow, I highly advise not taking directly from the source books. While they are great for inspiration, many stats and abilities need to be adjusted in order to balance the character."

LENDRI/LENDRI

--- "This is in regards to Forsaken profiles. I've seen quite abit of them being approved.. but there's a problem. When the 3rd war was going on and the scourge came to kill everyone, you were either killed by the scourge or the Plague of Undeath. I'm not too sure on this one, but being cut up by a scourge might transfer the disease which explains them coming back as Forsaken. But there are many profiles where they died from other causes not by the Plague of Undeath or by scourge and they turned Undead."

LOGS, BECAUSE I COULDN'T BE BOTHERED:
Quote:02:16:00 [Arda]: Does the Plague only fester in living?
02:16:02 [Madaga]: The scourge's necromancers were able to raise the dead of even those not killed by the Plague of Undeath.
02:16:46 [Madaga]: The plague of Undeath was merely an autonomous tool for creating zombies and spreading terror, a very small part of the Lich King's actual power.
02:16:49 [Reigen]: That's what we've been going by, really. That they can honestly raise anyone or thing they wanted to via scourge necromancers.
02:17:00 [Reigen]: I mean, sylvannas does it in cata with the valks.
02:17:41 [Lendri]: Eh. The profiles don't specify, however. Shouldn't there be a small tidbit in there about a necromancer raising them into the undead army instead of just; "Then I was undead. I killed things and was freed."
02:17:53 [Madaga]: Nope
02:18:01 [Reigen]: I fear it will tred on the ine of being 'nit-picky'.
02:18:19 [Lendri]: Other profiles though require certain details before they can be approved.
02:18:39 [Lendri]: Or they use to.
02:18:54 [Madaga]: I don't even think there needs to be an actual necromancer present - just the presence of a Necropolis might be enough to raise the dead, but I'm not sure.
02:19:19 [Lendri]: Was there necropolis' in Lordaeron or Eastern Kingdom territories, though?
02:19:29 [Madaga]: Yes
02:19:31 [Reigen]: Not a clue, to be honest.
02:19:34 [Madaga]: Naxrammas
02:19:36 [Lendri]: I know there -might- be some in Eastern Plaguelands.
02:20:00 [Lendri]: Naxx is in Northrend. Unless you mean the old Naxx, which I don't know where that is.
02:20:10 [Madaga]: That was in the Eastern Kingdoms
02:20:29 [Jared]: The necropolis was a mobile town hall for the Scourge in WC3. There were a few floating around, put it that way.
02:20:31 [Royal]: Isn't there a new Necrop in Eastern Plaguelands? As they moved Nax North.
02:20:44 [Reigen]: The DK place.
02:21:01 [Lendri]: It seems that people get away with forsaken profiles without giving much detail on the death and re-raising into forsaken, is all I'm saying.
02:21:09 [Nikodemos]: Generally that is at the discresion of the approver. Depth in regards to the history section varies amongst the community. Some of us are partial to long detailed profiles, others short but concise. Undead are handled in a similar manner to other races
02:21:09 [Nikodemos]: in
02:21:10 [Madaga]: There's also Acherus, but I think most of the Scourge Necropolis were destroyed by the Argent Dawn and foresaken.
02:21:14 [Nikodemos]: this regard.
02:21:27 [Arda]: This is -so- hard to log appropriately.
02:21:30 [Madaga]: Of course, now i have to create a Forsaken profile for some guy named John, all for the sake of the last sentence.
02:21:46 [Reigen]: Any further questions from anyone?
02:21:46 [Lendri]: What do you mean?
02:21:50 Cassie has got a log of her own if needed Ard.
02:22:05 Markuss waits for everybodeh to finish.
02:22:36 [Reigen]: Speak now if you do, or I'll let Markuss go and wrap this up.
02:22:47 [Lendri]: I'm asking Madaga what she/he means.
02:23:05 [Madaga]: "And then, John was a zombie"
02:23:37 [Reigen]: Sadly John is already a taken name. :P
02:23:41 [Jared]: . . . I think that kind of explanation is basically what Lendri is talking about. x3
02:23:47 [Lendri]: Yep.
02:24:20 [Reigen]: We'll discuess on if we think it's needed, Lendri. Thank you for beinging it to our attention.
02:24:26 [Lendri]: Even human and elven profiles are more defined than forsaken ones are at times. With the elves you have to describe every battle that they went through and what you did during it.
02:24:29 [Reigen]: ...
02:24:34 [Reigen]: bringing*
02:25:04 [Lendri]: Like... okay, here's an example.
02:25:04 [Madaga]: Freeman isn't, but then I'm mixing fanfics
02:25:16 [Lendri]: Someone died in stormwind and became a forsaken.
02:25:19 [Lendri]: That's not right.
02:25:30 [Lendri]: There were no forsaken in Elwynn forest.
02:25:39 [Lendri]: But it got approved.
02:25:48 [Reigen]: Wait, really? Please send me a link to that over skype.
02:26:06 [Nikodemos]: But could be rectified easily by their remains being transported home to family in Lorderon... at the wrong time.
02:26:28 [Reigen]: We'll discuss on if it's a needed change Lendri, thank you for beinging it to our attention.
02:26:34 [Atius]: But if that isn't specified in the profile, then it is a problem, I believe. <nod>
02:27:15 [Madaga]: I think that was approved because it was switched from Stormwind to Lordaeron, but not all instances of Stormwind in the text were caught.
02:27:25 [Reigen]: That could be.
02:27:34 Reigen nods at Markuss.
02:27:37 [Madaga]: And I think all the details of a person's reanimation is as necessary as all the details of a human's birth.

MARKUSS' FINISHER

02:27:38 Markuss heads up to the disco ball, next to Reigen. "Alright ladies an' gents. Shoot a kiss to Reigen here. NOW. There be a scryers event soon, but if your characters are terrible racists or don't want to go after for free food. How bout' some sweet, sweet RP lovinz'? Oh yeah, folks. We got tons of role-play."

**Reigen** · 11-08-2012, 09:28 AM

Updated with the introductions.

**Sersay** · 11-08-2012, 09:53 AM

...I forgot all about this. No surprise considering...but still.

**Nikodemos** · 11-08-2012, 10:44 AM

Nice Job Loxy.

**Harmonic** · 11-08-2012, 01:39 PM

Seems a lot of people are concerned with cliques.

Hrm. I don't know if there's really anything to do with that, we can't -force- people to diversify their RP.

**Piken** · 11-08-2012, 01:48 PM

What Rensin said. I think what's being done, from what I see, is doing just fine to deal with the 'cliques' thing. People will always stick to what they know and few will venture into the unknown. Which isn't a -bad- thing, but it does put limits on things at times, and it sucks. It sucks a lot. But like was said, if people remain outgoing, willing to get out there, offer people RP, which I see done quite a bit, then it really cuts down on the whole 'cliques' worry, IMO.

I've been part of cliques, and I understand how it is from both sides, but sometimes it's not the clique's fault. Sometimes it's the individual on the outside forming an idea of "They don't want me here" when it's really misinterpreted. Sometimes ICly, people are just gruff and even assholes, but that doesn't always mean that they're not willing to try starting something up. And sometimes(stop using that word, dammit) your character just won't click(herpaderp play on words) with someone else's.

.. <.< >.> I rambled.. ;-;

**Psychyn** · 11-08-2012, 01:57 PM

Quote: If the toon doesn't fit, or is plain racist to the other race, it's not going to go well.

To add to my own message. I'm not saying IC racism is a bad thing, but I've seen so many RP's where people join in and then sit silent in a corner, or choose to not get involved into the conversation because "It is rude" from an IC perspective, or just because they are waiting for that perfect opportunity.

Stop waiting, just get involved. If that toon has such a history that it can't be social on the spot and needs something to make him/her social, you'll want to consider rolling a toon that does not have those issues. Again, not saying it's bad but it limits the character. Which in turn limits the RP (because it can't join on a whim), which in turn makes people feel as if there's cliques because despite open-RP, they can't seem to get involved.

Walk up to people, start a chat. Overhear some words and join on in. Don't walk into the tavern, just to buy a drink and stare ahead to the wall, waiting for RP to happen. That's what I've seen about instead of all these cliques people fear.

**Harmonic** · 11-08-2012, 02:00 PM

That is good advice. If your character is racist, nothing wrong with making them aggressive in being so, and putting them in the middle of the group they are racist towards. It adds conflict, yes, but IC conflict is a wonderful thing.

I'm sure there's plenty of characters out there that dislike mine!

**SachikoMaeda** · (This post was last modified: 11-08-2012, 02:24 PM by SachikoMaeda.)

There are cliques. They're there. They're in every society.

Now I've been guilty of the "enter tavern, order drink, then stare at the wall deal". Why? It's what my character would do. As frustrating as it can be at times, I like to keep true to my character. Even though I've had to alter Matou to talk more just for an ounce of RP... Hopefully soon I can have him return to his quiet self.

Back to the point of cliques. To say I'm not a part of one is a lie. I've got a few friends that take priority, even if some of them aren't on CotH these days. Regardless, I'll still try to reach out.

Though its very hard to reach out when it feels you're being declined.

**Psychyn** · (This post was last modified: 11-08-2012, 02:32 PM by Psychyn.)

Quote:Now I've been guilty of the "enter tavern, order drink, then stare at the wall deal". Why? It's what my character would do. As frustrating as it can be at times, I like to keep true to my character.

It's great that your character would do that, and it's great that you stick to him. But why join an open-RP when you know he's going to be a silent, anti-social toon? People aren't going to keep poking your character, when his behaviour shows that he'd rather not be social. (Mine won't at least. They'll find it odd and decide to leave you alone instead of bothering you. Can't imagine I'm the only one with that mindset.)

Quote:Though its very hard to reach out when it feels you're being declined.

True that, I've made Cassie just to reach out to every single person wherever she goes, because she's just that. The type to walk up to you, meet people and have a chat. However, she's ran across a mute character and really had nothing to say to that toon because the lad can't talk. The limitation on the toon, made it impossible to get the person really involved into the RP. All the contact had to come from just her side, and that's like constantly throwing a ball from the pitcher to the catcher with the man on first base, never swinging the bat to get the game going. (Though, don't go rule-mode on me because after 3 times he'd be out, I realize that but once I got a better comparison, I'll give it. ^^)

It's a mixture, of people not reaching out enough, and characters not being reachable enough. (That's just my thoughts on the deal)

**SachikoMaeda** · 11-08-2012, 02:35 PM

I'd say the only reason I bring an antisocial character to an open RP is because I've found the unplanned and unexpected RP to be the most fun. I was actually quite amazed how fun it can be when characters take other characters out of their comfort zone.

And I believe it is a combination of IC lack of communication and maybe OOC preference. Can we do much to change it? Not one person can do it alone. Maybe it's just a problem we though up that doesn't really exist. It's possible it's our own paranoia and insecurities making us think there's cliques.

...... For me, anyways.

**Loxmardin** · 11-08-2012, 02:36 PM

Psychyn definitely has a point. Making your character unreachable is a good way of declining RP for yourself since that forces others to go out of their way to service you and your character, rather than the other way around. Which might not be ideal for them or stick in the frames of their characters. It's really a common responsibility amongst everyone on the scene to make it enjoyable for everyone in it, but no one should ever expect that others will step up to give you the RP you're looking for unless you put in your own share of the effort, if that makes sense.

Being anti-social is fine, though. Such characters can be a lot of fun to play. I played a mute Draenei for a long time and she rarely interacted much with others, though when she was alone... I just continued emoting what she was doing, anyway. She got out her miniature meatgrinder in the middle of the tavern and started preparing her next liquid meal by taking her sweet time grinding down beef jerky, adding water, grounding herbs, and all sorts of things. And sometimes people would rudely interrupt her, forcing her to take out her notebook and write in it to communicate so she had to go hungry for a bit longer.

If you're there and present in the RP with active emoting (even if you're not RPing with anyone but yourself), you're more likely to attract people over to actually talk to you, instead of just sitting there and occasionally throwing out a one-liner saying "I'm still sitting here doing nothing, woop dee doo". And, even if people don't come up to you, you're still RPing and possibly adding something to the RP of the others. Gives them background noise, so to speak. More life, and something to read. I know I got friendly comments when I was RPing my mute Draenei, at least. And she got more attention sometimes than she would've liked.

... All in all, it's about mutual effort.

**Harmonic** · 11-08-2012, 03:23 PM

Pol is for all intents and purposes... a wall flower.

But she's also very vocal, despite being in the back of a room. Another thing is that I try, if she's being silent and staring others down, to make her interact through emotes. Emotes are a powerful, powerful RP tool available to us, and make it so that we can be silent... without being silent, and making others aware of our presence.

I hate to use myself as an example so frequently, but I hope it helps those that have problems with trying to get things going when playing a wallflower.

**Piken** · 11-08-2012, 03:40 PM

Also a tip for when you have a more anti-social character, trying having some little thing that gets them involved with people. I've got a couple for Aiden, my really skittish young'n; I have his drawing, where he'll randomly draw people and walk up to them and just give them the portrait and the other is that he's fully aware of how anti-social he is and wants to better himself, sometimes building up the courage to walk over and talk to a singular person. And that tends to lead to the group coming over, which causes humorous tension for him as he's then surrounded by strangers!

Little gimmicks and such can really help a situation. <nods> Just some more of my thoughts.

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