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I'm looking at you every human being possessing computer literacy. Steer clear of my smut.

And now I know why you keep jumping about Stormwind or the Monastery with <busy>, ignoring us all as we RP. The truth is out, Stranger, out!

(01-12-2012, 10:27 PM)Zarquon Wrote: [ -> ]The truth is out, Stranger, out!

There are at least a dozen things going on across my screen at any one moment.

To which truth do you refer?

(01-12-2012, 10:29 PM)LostStranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2012, 10:27 PM)Zarquon Wrote: [ -> ]The truth is out, Stranger, out!

There are at least a dozen things going on across my screen at any one moment.

To which truth do you refer?

That you're too lazy/cheap to get the good stuff.


Though, I do remember people posting on here that it doesn't matter if you put up a disclaimer or not.
You posted it.
And that's bad.

So, I doubt disclaimers would work. In fact, if anything, disclaimers might just make it worse.

(01-12-2012, 11:07 PM)Binkleheimer Wrote: [ -> ]So, I doubt disclaimers would work. In fact, if anything, disclaimers might just make it worse.

The afterthought images may've been a poor idea; the 'disclaimer' was initially envisioned as tongue-in-cheek dressing for relatively harmless contents,

...I'm drawing excessively away from the topic.

Quote:EDIT: I'm just waiting for the always insightful post from Krent to save the thread.

....I got nothin'. Everything I coulda said on this topic has already been said by other people in much more intelligent ways.

But of course that won't stop me from throwing in my six dollars and eighty-nine cents.

My only concern is that, this whole matter is incredibly subjective. Nearly everything about it. The issues raised here speak onto a larger topic of free speech, artistic expression, and an individual's right to be protected from negative stereotyping and objectification. Which one do we hold more important than the other? All of them are important. No matter what direction we go, some 'rights' are going to be trampled over others.


The largest issue that, which I believe has been touched on a bit (but not nearly enough 'cause you kids are so craaaaaaaaaaaazy), is who's standards do we listen to? Who gets to decide what's going "Too far" and "pornographic"? Is the purpose of this thread to gauge a general community standard? Can the forum be used to measure such a thing? What of the individuals who choose to remain silent, or don't pay attention to this wonderful forum drama? Do their perspectives and standards not apply...?

I see too many problems with it, other than falling back onto "Common sense". The funny thing about pornography, is that our struggle to define exactly what it is isn't something unique to COTH. The Supreme Court of the United States also has this problem. One of 'em judges said "I don't know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it.". I believe we all have similar sentiments. We can't exactly articulate precisely what is sexually obscene, but lets be honest. We know it when we see it.

And ehhh...people probably know this, but I'm more of a live-and-let-live kinda guy. Do what'cha want, however you want. I may not agree with it, but who am I to say that my likes are better than your likes? Or that you shouldn't do what you do 'cause I don't like it? Doesn't seem right to me.

...apologies to anyone who expected crazy Krent shenanigans or life-changing words of deranged wisdom.

I'm still amazed that this needed a debate. :/

Just keep adult stuff private. Can't it be more simpler more kk? /derpbashstupidheadlolomg

You know when you do adult stuff. Being a dwarf is romance is fine. Being a gay character is fine. Having grossing heated rolelpay in the middle of Goldshire between Joe Doe and Jane Doe is not.

It's called common sense, and if republicans and democrats started using it (and in Europe, if they all politicians started making sense at all) the world would be a better place.

(01-13-2012, 04:17 AM)Krent Wrote: [ -> ]...apologies to anyone who expected crazy Krent shenanigans or life-changing words of deranged wisdom.

You talk as if you just didn't do that~ I love you, BroJam.

I'm going to leave a bit out of a old thread I once wrote here ;

Quote:Never use common sense as an argument.

Three reasons as to why common sense shouldn't be used as argument:

* Common sense is based on real life, and possibilities within real life and not world of warcraft. What is common or uncommon in real life, is not common or uncommon in a fantasy world. The boundaries of real life do not exist in WoW. Real life logic is flawed.
* What is common for you may not be common for somebody else. What you deem to be logical and real, can and will be deemed illogical and unreal by someone else.
* Common sense is vague; the word itself indicates commonness, so anything that's not common does not make sense? Try to be as clear as possible with reasoning and advices, but keep it friendly! No mind-bashing your thoughts and advices onto the keyboard.

I'm not sure what else to add. I'm reading the posts, but have no further real opinion, yet did wish to comment on the argument "It's common sense" that I have seen thrown around which I must disagree on.

On that point, Psychyn...

Common sense does make sense to use in this arguement. This is not a topic of World of Warcraft, it's a topic of human decency. While it is true that we all have different definitions for what may be common or uncommon, I know at least a vast majority of us know that it is wrong and partially illegal for us to make adult topics available for those under eighteen.

Some have suggested an adult board within the forums, but frankly we have no way to really moderate that. Just like adult channel we are going off of trust, and time and time again that trust has been broken.

Common sense isn't common, anymore.

At any rate, I'm indifferent to this move mostly because I keep my figure drawings off of the internets usually. Drawing nude people is fun, but it doesn't hold the same enjoyment as drawing a nude person whose skeleton you can see. I'm also indifferent because, quite frankly, I try to ignore whether I -like- the subject matter or not, at this point. More often than not, I'm not going to like it anyway, but I'm sort of fine with that. I'll still give my honest critique when I find it necessary.

I'm still not a big fan of reducing the concept of a person down to a body part or single feature, but hey... What do I know? If that's how you get your fun, go ahead and have it, I guess?

TL;DR? Read my signature.

Even with a disclaimer if the content is unacceptable for the site, then it shouldn't be there.

Take deviantart, for example, I've seen plenty of times when people post porn and think that putting a warning and a few black boxes placed enough to comply with the rules. Turns out it doesn't and dA deletes it anyways because their community includes people as young as 13 and they don't want porn floating around the kiddies.

I think it's the same here, even with disclaimers and even with the right amount of warnings in place it'd still be an inappropriate post.

I must admit I've drawn some lewd things myself and, well, I keep it off coth. And it's pretty simple; there are other places where it can go, and you could PM it to a few coth friends you like. I know I have some on skype I occasionally PM the content that I wouldn't post on coth and of course this is always with the assurance that they're alright with it.

/shrug

Well not everything needs to really be put on coth, does it? I mean, for example, we have rules against discussing drug use. So I am guessing even if we were to write or talk about it, even if we were to put it under spoilers, it'd still be breaking the rules of coth. There are just some things that are a no-go for some sites and communities, so just don't post it there. It seems to me it's more about making a spot where some of coth's rules don't apply.

I mean, I don't see coth needing adult content or content that is not PG-13. There are other places and forums that have that, and hey, you might meet new people and make new friends while posting in other communities that accept the more questionable content.

I don't really see much where this talk is heading, especially when the artists currently posting in the community are abiding to those rules and not posting anything offensive. There's a nude picture here and there, but most what I've seen of them are artistic and rather innocent nudity.

So I don't have much to contribute, other than to make a note of how vehemently I oppose the idea of a 'side CotH' for adult and generally unaccepted material.

I personally would be rather ashamed if I ever had to moderate something like that. As a GM I see things now and then which I just really don't want to know about. Sometimes its a person ERPing in a public channel, or etc.; I think we can agree though that we usually do not want to know what people get their rocks off to, and that we feel all the better for that.

Now... I don't want to see a page directing from here full of people posting nudes and pin-ups or whathave you. There are other places for that. Other places which have their purpose ground in that subject matter. These places are not CotH, nor should they ever be melded together. CotH should not be a one-stop shop for you, it should be where you come to RP and converse with friends.

To clarify, by the way, I'm by no means saying I'm sensitive to this kind of material; no, not at all. But go and take a look at Blizzard, or any other company or indeed -most- forums not explicitly set up for pron or the like on the web; you're not going to see a section labeled 'ADULT MATERIAL'. They don't have that stuff 'cause it's a matter of professionalism. I've actually been to a private server in the past that did have a section like this, and idunno. Even if the material itself wasn't offensive or repulsive to me, it just didn't feel right that this was on the same site. And I really didn't want to know what kind of pictures Mr. Strawman got his jollies to. I just don't want to really get to know my friends that well.

I suppose that's about it. I will say that if such a board were ever to be made I think I would sooner leave the staff than actually moderate the threads in it though. 'Cause there are some things I just don't want to do, yo.