Somethings that bothers me.

[Jason]

Right. What Rensin said. He just said it alot better than I did (Naturally). I don't think the US bit was completely necessary, as that's more of a personal issue, but the gist of it was pretty accurate. If you don't want to be helped, we can't help you. Retail doesn't let you have Nelf/Belf or human/orc relationships because of language filters. We don't because it makes absolutely and inexorably no sense.

[Jason]

Retail doesn't let you have Nelf/Belf or human/orc relationships because of language filters. We don't because it makes absolutely and inexorably no sense.

That was just an example.

[Harmonic]

The US thing isn't personal at all, there are many studies as to the current mindset of people now-a-days, as compared to those in other countries and other time periods. People -used- to think of things this way, "Bad things always happen, so when the good things do happen, be very happy, but keep on going when you don't get your way". But people now see things like this "I need what I want RIGHT NOW, I -should- have respect, and you should make sure that the customer is always right!". I know that were I live right now, people expect to be happy, and to be pleased, and if they aren't they either become angry, or "depressed".

Do you think that happens in a lot of other places, especially countries that have it a hell of a lot harder than we do? No. Our problems are minescule compared to theirs, so really, when it comes down to it, someone complaining over something as -stupid- as whether or not they can have a fictual relationship with a race that doesn't exist in real life, I have to say to myself "Jesus, there is something really darn wrong with the way people percieve things now-a-days."

[Cressy]

The sad part of this is that when you do, even as a GM, you get scolded and flamed for it. I have learned to just not RP with them anymore. Sad, amirite?

[Jason]

Meh, that's pretty much the only cure. You can't exactly kick them for not following WoW Lore...

I think. Tentative! I can feel the Wowwiki quotes and mad flame threads popping up already. There should be -something- that can right situations like this.

[Delta]

Meh, that's pretty much the only cure. You can't exactly kick them for not following WoW Lore...

I think. Tentative! I can feel the Wowwiki quotes and mad flame threads popping up already. There should be -something- that can right situations like this.

i might be wrong here but while it's not a rule it is strongly advised.
i looked over all your rules thoroughly because i was expecting rule number 11(random number) to say something along the lines of, "post Kretol loves beans in your introduction or we'll ban you right off the bat!"

[McKnighter]

Well, here's my thing.


I got a Orc who allows humans into his merc group. Why? Because they can do things other Horde members cannot. He might not have to LOVE them, but he can accept them.


On the other hand, my Forsaken Warlock, my evil little man, hates everything. He's not a likeable guy, unless your Undead. Makes sense, right?


And then there's my Blood Knight....


Anyways, being creative is good, but sometimes I like to go back to my roots, and RP a stereotype race/class. My dwarf thinks his allies (besides gnome) are too tall. He hates orcs with a passion. He can't get along with any type of Elf.



Does everyone have to be war-like? Maybe, but most of the time you see races that oppose you, your in Ratchet or some other place filled with guards. Could you take a shot at them in the open plains? Maybe, but why without reason?


I'm just a logical thinker, it most likely effects my characters, which might be meta-gaming but /shrug. But if an orc steps into my Dwarf's homeland, he'll be all over him.

[Jason]

Humans and orcs can work together. It's a proven fact. But is it likely they will every REALLY like them? I meant relationships in the romantic form of the word. Anyone can put up with someone for a limited amount of time.

[Miah]

These things bother me also. I'm not saying people should be a complete stereotype, but I find myself all the time questioning things like, "If you wanted to be a friendly, caring kind of person, why would you role the race you know 99% should by all rights think they are better than most others (Blood elf) ". When I see this, it makes me question the roleplayer as I know they have chosen their race for wanting to look a certain way, not Roleplay a certain kind of person. There will always be an exception, a person who really does back up their reasoning well, but it feels like all I run into are exceptions, and Its very rare I actually run into a blood elf who is high and mighty, a tauren who is compassionate and loves nature and the like.

And on the killing one, I agree entirely. It bug's me to see, say, a gnome character, able to approach a tauren or orc and mouth off like nothing would come of it. Raya, my gnome character, is portrayed as tough for a gnome but if an orc tries to intimidate her, its gonna work. Simple as, they are bigger and stronger undeniably, and to a gnome an orc would be as intimidating as anything. With the arena too, people seem to stroll in without a care in the world.

Blood elf priestess: "Bloodsport? Sure, sounds like fun hehe" ^-^

In reality, just about anyone who is not a huge gladiator, hardened magic user, or otherwise, wouldn't step into a blood-covered arena without being more than a mite insane. Its a bloodsport, not a casual thing you do for fun, being stabbed, smashed and generally mutilated is a terrifying prospect to every character, just some are hardened enough to deal with it. Just bug's me when people go in there, get horribly stabbed, hit by arrows, and walk out with a smile on their face when they win. I only have one character insane enough to attempt it more than once, and she wouldn't go near the thing without a gun the size of an orc's leg to defend herself with.

[Nostra]

My point is; don't just talk about it in the forums, but try to make a difference in the moment. I hate comparing men to dogs, but, things are easier to remember when confronted the moment you're undertaking it, then simply talking about it; makes the lesson stick. And don't be too lazy to give them a correct source of lore when they don't believe you on your word; facts are facts after all.

QFT

If more people actually took action and the time to explain to people what they are doing wrong I think this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it might seem, but that means doing something extra and that's something a lot of people don't care for. It's easier to just whine about the problems after all, than try to do something about them.

And yes, I know there's those people that just refuse to understand but often all you need is to sweeten your words and not go straight on telling them they are failing hard, acting like idiots and should just get rid of the character.

[Jason]

QFT

If more people actually took action and the time to explain to people what they are doing wrong I think this wouldn't be as much of a problem as it might seem, but that means doing something extra and that's something a lot of people don't care for. It's easier to just whine about the problems after all, than try to do something about them.

And yes, I know there's those people that just refuse to understand but often all you need is to sweeten your words and not go straight on telling them they are failing hard, acting like idiots and should just get rid of the character.

But our point is they simply choose not to listen. It really just seems like they're taking the bits out of our responses they need to formulate a reply in their defense, rather than actually reading it for the information it's supposed to give. Quite honestly, there isn't a time when I criticize a character rudely; we're addressing the cases in which we're being perfectly civil and are still yet met with hostility. I haven't encountered this sort of thing recently, but it's apparently an ongoing issue and I think we should have some way to deal with it, when words are failing to make the desired effect.

[Ghardiak]

But everyone, seriously, CotH was meant to be a good RPing server, one that actually tries to be better than the retail ones, as much as in lore as in good Role Players, but, you guys got to admit, stuff are getting ridiculous. People OP too much, Are Overly nice to other races. This is World of -WARCRAFT-

WAR

Craft not Peace-and-love-craft. I know that since the server doesn't have that many people, sometimes a Cross Faction RP is needed. But that's why both Booty bay and Ratchet are there for. Not only those 2 places but many others aswell. But it seems to me that people doesn't want to do some -real- RP, they want ERP. And the GM's can't do nothing about it because if they did a realm called "ERP realm" the population of serious RP realm would go down to a max of... well, 10, if luck is on our side.
Another thing that is bothering me is that, in a near future, we may have Half-Breed races. I mean, if it happened to an Orc or a Troll, It wouldn't strike me as much as a Human with a Belf. WHICH YOU ALL KNOW IT'S TRUE. i've already seen some people RPing Preggers, but my fear is that it bursts out as Half-Blood Preggers soon enough, and, to make it better, it would be with Races in War with each other, such as nelf/Orc. C'mon guys, stop using the excuse of "I wanna be Original u nub" because there's a Difference between being Original and being an OP noob.

Peace, Ghardiak.

[Piroska]

1) Blood elf's being tolerant towards, Night elves... :?:

The RPG is specific in terms of high elves (the game actually takes place prior to the revelation of Katrana Prestor's true identity), but even high elves do not get along very well with their progenitors. Since blood elves were until recently high elves, it is logical to assume that they feel much of the same about the kal'dorei. The roleplayer's guide states:

The years of conflict between the night elves and the high elves number so many that they make the Alliance and Horde conflict look like children arguing over a toy. When the high elves lost their immortality, they eventually forgot their brethren as generations lived and died, creating legends of histories. The nigh elves remembered the damage the Highborne brought to the world, and view their descendants as time bombs.

When the high elves encountered the nigh elves, they realized that the legends were true and began to resent the fact that the night elves had access to so much power that they refused to use -- not to mention the whole matter of exile. Many plot to retake the magically imbued forests for themselves, regardless of the fact that both races belong to the Alliance.

Add onto that that they're now members of opposing factions and you start having far more conflict than friendship.

2) "My character won't die".

I don't have much to say about this particular topic. I can see why people wouldn't want their characters to die; I wouldn't want the embodiment of all of my efforts and plans to fall over and croak either.

I think that the best thing to do is to approach roleplaying as a collaboration with others and not a competition. The more competitive that you are in an encounter, the greater the likelihood that you'll want negative results on a particular player's character. However, if you work together and build something, the results can typically be far more engaging and allow for greater roleplay.

Imagine a handful of scenarios. In the first, the character is killed during whatever conflict. The end. It's over.

In the second, the opposing character is allowed to go free, perhaps after having both body and mind wounded. This character develops a passionate rage against his opponent and now spends this time trying to get back. He plots, he gathers other like-minded people to his cause, he engages in a series of conflicts (both verbal and physical) with the other character, and -- guess what! -- more roleplay has occurred due to the player's leniency and the willingness to communicate rather than stick it to the other player.

In the third, the opposing character is freed, recognizing that his life was in the hands of his opponent. He undergoes personal growth and changes as a result of this encounter. He approaches life differently and begins doing something of importance. In time, maybe he and his opponent share similar goals and become allies. More roleplay! More growth! More opportunity!

3) Three climbing plate wearing dwarves and the like.

The RPG places no constraints on dwarves when wearing medium or heavy armor. I assume it's part of their hardiness. It states:

Ironforge dwarf base land speed is 20 feet. However, Ironforge dwarves can move at this speed even when wearing medium or heavy armor or when carrying a medium or heavy load (unlike other creatures, whose speed is reduced in such situations).

Furthermore, runes are not exclusive to warlocks. Or any other type of magic. Runes are just symbols of power; it would be appropriate for casters of divine magic to have similar symbols (and many of their spells require a divine focus in order to be successful). Just because a robe is intended to be utilized by warlocks doesn't mean that others cannot wear it. It's just a model; it's our perceptions that give it context.


Edit: Sorry for the outpouring of RPG nonsense lately. I've been rereading many of the books in order to tie some of the concepts into future events. Ah well!

[Grakor456]

This is really getting into "complaining about people I don't like" territory. Let's not do that.

Humans and orcs can work together. It's a proven fact. But is it likely they will every REALLY like them? I meant relationships in the romantic form of the word. Anyone can put up with someone for a limited amount of time.

Likely? No. Possible? Yes. There's always great potential for good RP in "forbidden romance" sort of plots. The question is not "Is it possible?", as, let's face it, there are far stranger kinks out there than a human liking gigantic green (wo)men. The real question is "How do I do this well?" Most people who do this kind of RP don't do it well. They don't account for the social stigma, the violence that would be directed at them, and the sheer fear of discovery that should be inherent in something like this, among other things.

A lot of problems with this kind of RP, and how it has come to be received, is due to how badly it is typically done. It can be done well. I'd be happy if it was done well.

Three climbing plate wearing dwarves and the like.

Sometimes realism is important, at others it's mere nit-picking. I can't say I ever really care what someone is wearing when they're climbing mountains. This goes double because I know that there's a very large range of acrobatic maneuvers one can perform in properly-fitted platemail. The only time I might ask "can you do that in platemail?" is in the context of swimming, but even that I'm not all that inclined to point out all the time.

[Miah]

ikely? No. Possible? Yes. There's always great potential for good RP in "forbidden romance" sort of plots. The question is not "Is it possible?", as, let's face it, there are far stranger kinks out there than a human liking gigantic green (wo)men. The real question is "How do I do this well?" Most people who do this kind of RP don't do it well. They don't account for the social stigma, the violence that would be directed at them, and the sheer fear of discovery that should be inherent in something like this, among other things.

S'true that too. One of my gnomish characters, is in a relationship with a human *Cue torrents of laughter and crude size jokes* But for the whole start of this happening she was panicking because of the social stigma, and to my mind I think that gnomes would be highly protective of keeping relationships strictly between gnomes, with 80% of them being wiped out. Just little things to consider like that even within mixed racial, same side relationships. Especially with the night elves, draenei and blood elves, as I imagine these are the ones to get confronted for it, particularly dranei, cause they have the same problem with gnomes -and- the lifespan issue -and- the religions issues.