A question on classes

[Roxas65]

I'm getting tired of this. People have changed their mind about that over and over again, until finally, a GM stated that according to the Warcraft RPG books, Forsaken can NOT use the light. and that's usually what we go by.

[Miah]

Oh? Well, fair enough then. How is that being handled ingame then?

[Roxas65]

I do see forsaken players using the light at times, but I usually don't bother. This is simply such a torn lore issue that I just let people do whatever the hell they want instead of making a fuss about it, because it usually doesn't lead anywhere.


EDIT: Or I might have mixed it up a bit. May be that Forsaken can use the light, with aforementioned pain, but they can not, in face, benefit from light themselves. That is, actually get healed by it.

[Cepht]

Regarding Forsaken using light ( http://www. w o w w i k i .com/Forsaken ) if the info below is correct then there should be some room for Forsaken to use the light, however my understanding is that their view of the light is somewhat tainted. They shouldn't be a bunch of happy-clappy do-gooders.

Faith

Even as they believe they have been abandoned by their faith, so have the Forsaken abandoned the faiths of their living days.[4] Some still adhere to their old faiths, such as the Holy Light.[12][13] Many no longer cling to any religion, placing their faith in their queen and their dark science.[4] Most, however, have embraced new philosophies of their own creation: the Forgotten Shadow, the Echo of Life, or the simple value of knowledge.[14] Some have even turned to the Burning Legion as a source of power, believing that only it is potent enough to defeat the Lich King.[4]


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Priests of the Forgotten Shadow teach that there must be a balance between Light and Shadow, and while they should never forget that they are from the Shadow, members of the cult must learn the Light as well.[20][21] Being intelligent undead, the Forsaken fully understand the limitations and vulnerabilities associated with unlife. One of these disadvantages is that they can be turned, rebuked or even commanded by powerful positive or negative energy forces. Naturally, the Forsaken are always on the lookout for ways to limit or negate this vulnerability.[22]

[Roxas65]

That seems more to me like something about learning of the light or have faith in it. Not the actual usage.

[Jeff]

I've always seen in lore, the undead can not weild the light. The priests who cling to the light wish for it to return, and maintains belief, even if it does not answer them. There's only 1 undead in lore that actually can use the light, and he's a case of his own.

Also, priest article, section Forsaken priests:

"Forsaken have abandoned religion, just as they believe it abandoned them. Lost and hurt, these priests founded a new religion based on a self-centered version of their former faith. Dubbed the Forgotten Shadow, this philosophy centers around self-empowerment and a desire to balance life with death. While they can no longer use the Holy Light, and have since learned how to use the shadow; the priests teach that there must be a balance between light and shadow, and members must learn the Light as well, but never forget they were born from the shadow. "

In a way, they're saying, there needs to be a balance of light and shadow, yes. But it specifically states they can not use the light. This probably means that since most priests in the world are holy priests, they should fill the gap of shadow priests.


As for "game balance" on gnomes, it's more than that. Smite. Power Word: Fortitude. Lesser and regular heal. Not to mention the claim that a small number of gnomes adhere to the light. It's one of those things we'll need to see when lore comes by to explain it, if that happens.

[Rigley]

The attitude we've taken on the light with forsaken is that they may use the light and be healed by it, but doing either will hurt. Badly. Thus, not many use it when they can just use the more comfortable shadow to heal themselves and their other undead allies.

Also, Gnomish priests can use the light as well as being surgeons. It works either way; there is even a gnomish High Cleric to the Argent Crusade in Cata.

[Grakor456]

I'm getting tired of this. People have changed their mind about that over and over again, until finally, a GM stated that according to the Warcraft RPG books, Forsaken can NOT use the light. and that's usually what we go by.

Whoever GM said that is wrong. We only use books for additional flavor. The game mechanics and Word of God trumps d20 lore, as most of it is outdated, been retconned, nor not adequately explained.

For the record, there is nothing that says Forsaken can't worship the Light (not even the d20, except in a flavor text blurb that itself raises the question whether the Forsaken is correct in his assessment or not.) Forsaken Priests are fully capable of being specced Holy or what have you. Also, Word of God is that holy magic can heal undead, it's just painful for them.

[Roxas65]

I'm getting tired of this. People have changed their mind about that over and over again, until finally, a GM stated that according to the Warcraft RPG books, Forsaken can NOT use the light. and that's usually what we go by.

Whoever GM said that is wrong. We only use books for additional flavor. The game mechanics and Word of God trumps d20 lore, as most of it is outdated, been retconned, nor not adequately explained.

For the record, there is nothing that says Forsaken can't worship the Light (not even the d20, except in a flavor text blurb that itself raises the question whether the Forsaken is correct in his assessment or not.) Forsaken Priests are fully capable of being specced Holy or what have you. Also, Word of God is that holy magic can heal undead, it's just painful for them.

Good to know. That's it, though. I've changed my mind about this issue at least half a dozen times because of different people's arguments. That's it, though. I'm gonna use what you just said as fact from now on, becasue I'm tired of changing my mind. . .

[Xigo]

To answer the initial question in this topic.

PM the content GMs about it, and they'll tell you whether or not you can make a special profile for it.