The Tier System: (A prestige system idea, work in progress)

[Sadron]

Terant is right. I think everybody (if not 99.9% of us,) are mature people. We're all good roleplayers as well. It's not like this is retail, we aren't all playing High Elf Demon Hunters and running around killing Varian Wrynn and Deathwing with our uber gear.

We're a very democratic and respectful community, and I think we can handle a prestige system if we hold true to that attitude. I believe Kret(l)ol called for optimism, to have a little more respect and faith in our fellow roleplayers. There have been many threads calling for a friendly attitude, to take a break from worrying about our characters, and enjoy the RP. What we need more than a prestige system, more than a bump to level 80, more than Cataclysm or a perfect combat system or anything like that... Is trust and positivity. With that, we can handle anything.

TL;DR: What Terant said.

[Brutalskars]

Still working on this somewhat whenever I am bored since I don't get any help from anyone. I'm like the Dark Knight, solo man, do the work on my own.

In light of recent events though, I still will finish this system. Just in case you know.

[Stormgald]

I really like this idea! I just don't understand why things just can't be simpler. That is what a lot of people want nowadays. Seems like a lot of work to go through. Not to say that I would be first in line or anything... *Whistles*

[Brutalskars]

There is just a lot of words to it, rather I just split prestiges into a levels concept and said, wantto jump through hoops go ahead, if you don't, don't try.

I am working on smoothing it out.

[Rosencrat]

While I applaud the effort put into this, I will stress: The prestige system, defined as a system that allows players to attain roll bonuses and other combat perks, is on the way out. It's the administrator's and game moderator's opinions that a system that gives bonuses in roll combat is a system that is inherently flawed and has no place on this server.

Yes, in some far-flung future the prestige system may return. All things, even improbable ones, can happen. But, until that day, energies and talents are better served elsewhere.

[Brutalskars]

I want to spend my energies on this though, despite what may be said.

[Wuvvums]

Since this uses base classes why not find some volunteers to try it in conjunction with Project 9? Because.. just making it for the sake of making it, despite feedback, despite criticisms from players, from GMs, and so on just seems so needless. Figuratively every time I see you make the excuse that you're making it because you can, it just feels like you're plugging your fingers in your ears and going "la la la I'm not listening."

And I know you think I'm just starting drama, Brutal, but listen for once. YOU MAKE A LOT OF EXCUSES and you seem to have a hard time listening to anything except what feeds your ego. Give it a try, test it out, and see how it works and listen to what others have to say.

[aroes]

Actually, that isn't the case at all Wuvvums. Brutal puts work into things like this even if they aren't used simply for the fun of creating something.

[Wuvvums]

He may have wanted to have fun with this but I know Brutal has other motives involved. I'll just say that I don't think this system was made purely for fun and for the sake of the server; Brutal is getting something out of this.

[Delta]

Brutal is getting something out of this.

What might that be?

[aroes]

For once I do believe I've been left somewhat speechless...I do hope it wasn't your intention but that statement sounds like a personal blow directed at Brutal and therefore rude.

Edit: I feel it's worth noting that -all- humans are selfish creatures. -Anything- we do is done because either in the short or long term, we will get something out of it. I don't mean to get into a discussion of psychology but I feel this is worth noting.

[Zarquon]

Wuvvums, you have been acting very antagonistic lately, prone to making ad hominem attacks, personal accusations and pinpointing on finer aspects in an argumentative manner. With all due respect, I don't think that Brutal deserves such cynicism for trying, notwithstanding the fact that you have more or less made an outright insult.

You are, in essence, flaming Brutal. Stop it, please.

[Rigley]

Words.

Cut it out.

You may not enjoy this system and I personally do not as well; it's his decision to pursue it though, and if he wants to put his time and effort into it then so be it.

Don't turn this into another bout of drama.

EDIT:

Words.

I'm looking at you too.

Guys, chill out.

[Brutalskars]

Ahem...

I am wasting energy on this for the fact, I want to finally finish it. I don't want it to be unfinished whatchamacallit#1337. And you know, there was a lot of work put into this, I did a lot I never needed to do, but I chose to do. And you know, I do like creating stuff, I have no idea how many ideas I have come up with in vent/skype/in-game, I like thinking. And as I previously said, I would rather this thread be more about the system and ways to improve it, not just disregard and trolling, hate and flaming. I asked for help with it, you do not have to speak up if you do not want to help in a constructive manner. For I am sure, the GM team knows, I get defensive easily, and you know I do have excuses, but they are -reasons-, I do not know what has come over people to believe that giving a rational -reason- is trying to avoid the issue. A valid point made should be taken into consideration, and you know there are at least ten reasons why I made this system, posted it without telling the GM team I would, and that I will keep working on it. And those reasons are my own, because if I said them, you would point at me and say "excuse".

Now onto happier things.

I am reworking the whole idea into the base class list, and then melding things into a few categories based off how easily attainable, or common they can be. Or something to that effect more or less, I am trying to find room to also insert guides to play your base class, without any other training or some crazy posts, as something else. Some classes on that list are:
Cyro/Pyro-mancer
Martial-Enchanter
Steamwarrior
Bonecrusher

This way you can effectively start you life as a bone crusher, then you may advance as one. Eh, I am thinking more about it, but I do know for a fact, when I detailed the classes for this I included no roll bonuses, just guidelines on the class. Honestly it seems most of them were better suited for no direct combat, like assassin, spymaster, even Ley-Walker; at least when I designed them. I try to make guidelines that should govern the themes in which these classes are used, I only placed restrictions where they made sense if I could help it.

[Aphetoros]

Brutal is getting something out of this.

What might that be?