Suggestion on ze Profile Checking / Other Misc. Stuff?

[Swinzly]

So people can, 'volunteer' to assist with the profile checking? If that is true, I'm sure people are willing to assist with it. Definitely.

[Harmonic]

Heh. Reading a little too far into it.

GMs still can only approve profiles, and the way your making it sound, you'd go through and slap an approved on everthing you see.

We do not operate that way. Now, again, please just be patient. Especially seeing as you are quite new.

[Genekitty]

I agree with Sin. In the last week the sudden surge of new players has been tremendous. Almost ridiculous. With every new person, comes a new profile, plus the older players who want to mix things up and try a new character.

The wonderful GM's we have don't let the Profile page go beyond 1 page long. That is saying something since there are so many new profiles.
I check everyday and see at least 2 new profiles. As has been mentioned, they are volunteers.
And no one said you couldn't help out a friend and comment their profiles with constructive criticism. In fact, I'm sure the GM's would look on it as a relief that someone else already came along with suggestions so they can get through it a little faster. I've done it a few times myself.
Honestly, it -has- been going faster lately. Patience is a virtue.

Just remember that this is a -private- server. The people who work on it, don't get paid. They do it because they have a dedication to some quality, enjoyable roleplay. Cut 'em a little slack, and give 'em a little respect. They deserve it.

Last note from me, spend less time worrying about your profile and more time enjoying the people and the places. It's pretty out there. Take a walk.

[Swinzly]

Whatever, anyway. Fine I'll stop whining...

I assume this idea has been destroyed and will not be of anyuse. Lock the thread, delete it. whatever...

[Kretol]

I should make a quick note that there are also those that ignore the rule of not having only one profile at a time. That makes even more work for us when, shortly after moving a profile over to the Initial Approval subforum, the same person posts yet another profile (or two).

Edit: Another trend I've been noticing. For several profiles, it seems as though the player has been around for a week or two, and then disappears (at least, on the forums). This is precisely why we suggest to wait on writing a profile until after you've gotten the feel for the character a bit and intend to play it. This helps in lightening the load here.

[Lovett]

Perhaps I need to say this again... But as a GM, people see you as the authroity. And as a GM, people expect a certain amount of responsibility.

That point seems to be overlooked. Right now, and I mean no disrespect but a simple obeservation. But it seems those who are GM's, simply want the GM position as a leverage point in the fourms, or RP and so on. Perhaps, as I have brought up once before. That the server should obtain more staff, for monitoring fourms. Or, selected individuals for Administration jobs, such as Profile checking.

Again, I will say that as a GM, people are expecting of you. Perhaps if you dislike the pressure, a Gm role is not something for you. (DO NOT attack me for this, it is a statement, not an attack)

And since I first posted, the comment:

Would you rather us go through and half-ass the profiles so everything is botched and we have people claiming to be Thrall's baby or the Spawn of Azshara?

Oh come on... You can tell that anyone that knows how to find an RP server isn't going to do that... Hell, I'm still yet to see the "Illinox" and "Arrthas" impersinators...

Another idea, perhaps that a GM, could skim over profiles, and have them moved to a locked fourm where they are then commented on, and then added to the wiki by another. That way, its not all down to one person, sharing the load as you will.

That idea might seem stupid, but it gives the people in waiting the illusion that things are progressing at a faster pace.

[Grakor456]

Perhaps I need to say this again... But as a GM, people see you as the authroity. And as a GM, people expect a certain amount of responsibility.

That point seems to be overlooked. Right now, and I mean no disrespect but a simple obeservation. But it seems those who are GM's, simply want the GM position as a leverage point in the fourms, or RP and so on.

Besides being out-right rude, this isn't true. The new batch of GMs have been doing the best they can given their circumstances. Rensin has been doing a lot of things within his new role as a content GM, including planning a new server event. I am, as always, doing things on the punishment/enforcing role (which really does need one person to concentrate on it) and Kretol is always around to give the server an update.

Perhaps, as I have brought up once before. That the server should obtain more staff, for monitoring fourms. Or, selected individuals for Administration jobs, such as Profile checking.

You don't know how we recruit new staff members.

Again, I will say that as a GM, people are expecting of you. Perhaps if you dislike the pressure, a Gm role is not something for you. (DO NOT attack me for this, it is a statement, not an attack)

No, it is an opinion...and yes, it IS an attack.

Oh come on... You can tell that anyone that knows how to find an RP server isn't going to do that... Hell, I'm still yet to see the "Illinox" and "Arrthas" impersinators...

We once had someone come onto the server and seriously try to RP Illidan's child. We also once had someone who, quite literally, tried to RP a god of thunder. We later had someone RPing that she was carrying Kil'Jaeden's baby. Do not sit there and tell us that we don't get these people, because we do. We just tend to weed them out quite quickly, so many miss them when they happen.

Another idea, perhaps that a GM, could skim over profiles, and have them moved to a locked fourm where they are then commented on, and then added to the wiki by another. That way, its not all down to one person, sharing the load as you will.

When was this ever a one-person job? You haven't watched how we do the profiles, because right now we do have a system on how it works.

That idea might seem stupid, but it gives the people in waiting the illusion that things are progressing at a faster pace.

Things ARE progressing at a faster pace. You weren't around before MrWeasel, Nostra, and Sasail became GMs. Profiles are simply not something we can skim over, and they take a lot of time.

[Kretol]

We once had someone come onto the server and seriously try to RP Illidan's child. We also once had someone who, quite literally, tried to RP a god of thunder. We later had someone RPing that she was carrying Kil'Jaeden's baby. Do not sit there and tell us that we don't get these people, because we do. We just tend to weed them out quite quickly, so many miss them when they happen.

So many miss them when they happen.
I just needed to be sure that you (and others) catch that. We're usually rather quick with dealing with these types. Someone who happens to encounter such a person will tell us immediately, and the person is dealt with immediately. Hence, rarely do more than a few people see them.

[Lovett]

If your seeing any o this as an attack, then don't read it. As for how things are done... Your -very- correct. I have no idea, and because I am inable to see what is happening behind closed doors that I need to make asumptions.

Now, as for those individuals, I thank you for your quick actions, that people like that can be removed. Because I'm still yet to see some one as poor at RP as that, come to think of it, all the RPers I have seen/witnessed have been of xcellent value. Which brings up what was said before as we're all labelled as being bad RPers until proven otherwise.

Yes, before you state it, those indiviuduals do make us newcomers look bad. But, that is a minority. It seems, 1 in 20 people are like that? Which, is a very small figure, and easily /ban from server.

And no, it is not Rude at all. That is to your interpritation, I has stated before and I'm being as polite as I can about every aspect of my wording so that I don't directly offend.

No, it is an opinion...and yes, it IS an attack.

Opinion or not, it is very straight forward staement.

I'm also going to say thank you Kretol. I have been on servers where debates like this are simply not alloud. Any for the against side usualy disapere, and all traces of those people usually disapeear; along with those asking questions.

When was this ever a one-person job? You haven't watched how we do the profiles, because right now we do have a system on how it works.

How can I watch, would you like me stand beside you as you do this? Because I have no way of knowing unless I ask questions, which has also some kind of Taboo on it, any that ask usually get the repetitive "Calm down! Be patient, wait" I'm sorry for being curious...

[Nostra]

When was this ever a one-person job? You haven't watched how we do the profiles, because right now we do have a system on how it works.

How can I watch, would you like me stand beside you as you do this? Because I have no way of knowing unless I ask questions, which has also some kind of Taboo on it, any that ask usually get the repetitive "Calm down! Be patient, wait" I'm sorry for being curious...

I´ll explain it for you, [Player] posts a character profile thread in the Character Profile section of the forums, [GM A] looks at it, deems it worthy of an Initial Approval and moves it to the Initial Approval section where [GM B] takes another look and places his Approved stamp on it, from there it is later moved to the Wiki.

And there is no taboo on raising questions (that I know of at least), but the people who generally asks those questions are very rude, whine a lot and asks a question over and over again.

"cn u lvl me???"

Erh...no, I don´t even have those commands.

"cn u sumon me?"

No, I don´t have that command either.

"but gief lvl so i dont hav to asks then!!!!"

/Ignore.

That comes from a real conversation, we get a few of that kind of questions everyday (at least I do), that and the now, daily, complaints kind of takes the edge out of my profile checking, I just don´t feel "inspired" to do anything when what I get back is "Guys don´t you think the GMs are too slow with the profiles?" or "But it seems those who are GM's, simply want the GM position as a leverage point in the forums, or RP and so on."

Seeing as you don´t know what we do "behind the scenes" you don´t know what we do IRL how can you make assumptions about what we can and can´t do? Opinions should be based on facts otherwise they are just... worthless... (Sorry, couldn´t think of a better word, no offence meant) I like to see myself as pretty patient, but something's that do irritate me are when people with biased opinions tries to hide that by saying it´s a statement.

Another thing, I have been a GM for about... two-three weeks, before that I was a player among others, nothing more, nothing less. I -do- know how it is to wait for approval, I -do- know how it is to be low level and I -do- know that you can role-play without the gear/level/gifts without problem

[Swinzly]

Well I owe the Profile Checker's an apology. I have indeed notice infact, the profiles are being checked a decent rate. Regardless. Please close this thread or something :? there's gonna be a war eventually here D:

[Bishnak]

So much hassle over nothing, this is why you ease into a community and get a general feel of things before you start criticizing.

[sasail]

Sadly, your words and actions cannot be reversed with such ease. You've offended myself and aswell a few others by questioning our work ethic. Perhaps you should have waited more than six days of being on this server before saying such things.

[Nostra]

I suggest that no more responses are posted until a higher GM can lock the thread.

[Secrettom]

Sadly, your words and actions cannot be reversed with such ease. You've offended myself and aswell a few others by questioning our work ethic. Perhaps you should have waited more than six days of being on this server before saying such things.

This person was only trying to help, if not with a *wee* bit of attitude

I know the GM's are trying their best, and as long as they are actually *reading* the profiles, I'm happy!


And besides, if you guys would like to help them out, read the character profiles and help them edit it! That way the GM's dont have to read through all of the profiles and nitpick all the little lore issues that someone else could have done for them.


Even though being Illidans secret daughter who is pregnant with Kael'tha's love child does sound pretttttyyyy cool....

EDIT: Whoops, I didnt see the previous post, sorry about that