To get the ball rolling... [A Prestige System]

[Kirabo]

It's coming back?

Then so am I.

It saddens me greatly to know that system as awful and out of place as the prestige system (which has *always* been awful and out of place) has nonetheless become so important to players that they don't feel they can RP on CotH without it.

Honestly, this thread is depressing.

Honesly? I thought the exact same thing. Meh, this place is going to Hell in a basket.

[Brutalskars]

I think it is depressing that you find it depressing any time someone makes a personal choice to prefer inclusion of a progression system over being without one. Some people get bored of the same ol' same ol' lets sit around and not progress in a way we feel is productive to our characters.

This thread in my opinion is quite needed. As Flammos supported me, I support Flammos! And I support any who stand by their belief in constructing any system!

[Aphetoros]

It is true. CotH is becoming pretty stagnant...

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Grakor456]

I think it is depressing that you find it depressing any time someone makes a personal choice to prefer inclusion of a progression system over being without one. Some people get bored of the same ol' same ol' lets sit around and not progress in a way we feel is productive to our characters.

If you can't progress your characters without some arbitrary mechanics system in place for it, then you're doing it wrong. Just saying.

[Aphetoros]

It's not wrong if you're not allowed without it. :l

[Brutalskars]

They are not looking for mechanics, they want a progression away from the basic lecture on 'character depth' and the basics of why we get bored. Even I, with all my events, and stuff I can do, can get complacent with basic character progression. Sure, we know I know lore enough I have found ways to bypass the prestige systems you have all made. But that I find is the fun in it, the imperfection.

A stagnant server with nothing for us to do to progess and change the world is ten times worse than one with imperfections and things we can do.

Let people at least think of doing something, or make their own opinion. Just because they may believe a system will improve them and their RP, doesn't mean you have to rain on them.

[Grakor456]

It's not wrong if you're not allowed without it. :l

If character progression via power is the only type you're interested in, then yes, you'll be disappointed. But that just means, again, you're doing it wrong.

A stagnant server with nothing for us to do to progess and change the world is ten times worse than one with imperfections and things we can do.

Also, the prestige system has nothing to do with server stagnation. That's just silly.

[Aphetoros]

Well not necessarily. No one can garner fame, or renown, the world can't change at all because players aren't allowed to change it. It's almost as if nothing that we do... matters.

[FlyingSquirrel]

You can garner fame with or without Prestiges. Just get out of the mindset that you need power to do anything. It's not Prestiges that are making the server stagnant, it's people that are sitting back and just saying that there isn't enough of this, there isn't enough of that, while doing nothing to try to fix it. You can run events whether you have a Prestige or not, and through those events, you can try to change the world. They're not around just for you to flaunt your power -- They're an option of character development and, never are they the only option. If they are, then you've dug yourself into a hole and you better start building yourself a ladder out.

[Uthaniel]

Well not necessarily. No one can garner fame, or renown, the world can't change at all because players aren't allowed to change it. It's almost as if nothing that we do... matters.

I disagree.

Wasn't Annabelle and the House of Autumn, and Sagi and the Heretic Circus, famous to an extent for their goals, purposes and achievements as a group, rather than the amount of prestiges they had in their numbers?

Duraza didn't need to be a prestige to play one of the best villains CotH ever had;
Similarly, several other well-played and interesting characters I could mention, such as Annabelle, Ventus, Safksha and Urzhad - Didn't need prestiges to become a bunch of interesting characters.

Let's not even mention Tavren as the biggest example of a character that gathered incredible amounts of power and prestige, being simply a 'normal' warlock.

[Aphetoros]

No. You can't. I've tried. Running events -doesn't work-. No one -wants to go-. They sit about complaining about nothing to do, even if someone's advertising an event right in front of them.

[FlyingSquirrel]

No. You can't. I've tried. Running events -doesn't work-. No one -wants to go-. They sit about complaining about nothing to do, even if someone's advertising an event right in front of them.

Then try and try again. That's what I've been doing. I've attempted to run about 5 event storylines since I joined CotH on Squirrel. Guess how many I've even done the first event of.

None.

[Grakor456]

I can list off several characters that became famous and had an impact on the world, all without the prestige system. People already made several good examples with Tavren, Sagi, and Annabelle. If they can do it, that proves it can be done, and the problem does not lie with the prestige system. Also...

No. You can't. I've tried. Running events -doesn't work-. No one -wants to go-. They sit about complaining about nothing to do, even if someone's advertising an event right in front of them.

Whose fault, then, is that? Because I can tell you that it's not a problem due to the absence of the prestige system, or the server rules itself.

[Aphetoros]

I didn't say -that- was. They become famous... in an extremely tiny portion to us OOCly. People just joining the server won't know them, there's no impact of them anywhere, really. Things can't actually -happen- to Azeroth. It's forbidden, and I still don't understand why. I recall when there were lore changing events in the past, and even though this has become quite derailed, why are they gone, again? Because I don't quite remember.

[Brutalskars]

Alright.
Kathorg Gorehallow, I have progressed this character, he is awesome, prestige worthy almost. I have met with lore characters, lead battles, been parts of kinds of things. Kathorg has had a lot of developement. What I mean by prestiges giving access to power is what if we want to expand our characters into new or advanced class abilities? What if we want to expand on those also?

Sure I have had a lot of RP, and honestly had to RP getting all sorts of armor and weapons to make Kathorg an OP character to fight, simply because I have for one, never had a prestige on the list that I liked, and for another, the system is always closed. You guys seem more upset when some RPs outside of a system to get power than when they comply to your rules for power progression.

Other people on CotH have RP'd numerous times, have fleshed out their characters quite a bit, but just what if, the power to gain or the change in abilities for those people is something they want to have be part of their character. TO make the character really hit home for them, to make that character truely warcraftian, heroic or otherwise, stacking on previous achievements. That way they can be proud of their character even more.

I would love to see Kathorg take a prestige class, but I do not see a reason to do it for over powering players, and I also think with any changes to even out everything and make so much of it normal makes the concept of prestige classes truly worthless and maims the idea.

Grakor, I respectfully disagree that power is not part of RP, any fantasy setting with any sort of context to a story with power progression even in the lowliest of forms means there is progression. To say it is not worth it and doesn't help RP is just a cop out for the fact that sometimes players get a bit caught up in power.
WHO DOESN'T!

Now that I am done, I need to finish moving my house. TTYL.
Danke
-Random player on the server #1337