Concerning Living Death Knights

[Grakor456]

Exactly what Kira said. Look, this is exactly why I took a break from coth and still barely hang around. the community never takes no for an answer and have to argue at any point. In this case, there -was- an argument about it and you missed it and this was the result. There is no reason to argue, but people -still- do it for God's know what reason. I once said that the majority of cothians would make excellent politicians and I hold by that statement.

This is not necessary. Responding to drama by throwing more at it does not help, so let's keep this thread focused on what it's supposed to be about.

[Kira13]

Exactly what Kira said. Look, this is exactly why I took a break from coth and still barely hang around. the community never takes no for an answer and have to argue at any point. In this case, there -was- an argument about it and you missed it and this was the result. There is no reason to argue, but people -still- do it for God's know what reason. I once said that the majority of cothians would make excellent politicians and I hold by that statement.

This is not necessary. Responding to drama by throwing more at it does not help, so let's keep this thread focused on what it's supposed to be about.

^ that and nothing else.

[Roxas65]

I apologize. I just get pissed off at times. Human error.

[hiddengecko]

What about those of us who have had living Death Knights for a great while, but never profiled them? I really do hope I'm not going to be expected to retcon RP I've already done.

[Rigley]

What about those of us who have had living Death Knights for a great while, but never profiled them? I really do hope I'm not going to be expected to retcon RP I've already done.

Mm. Well, I -think- we can check how long characters have existed, so I don't -think- that will be a problem. Other than you needing to profile your character suddenly, of course.

I'm not completely certain of this, bear in mind. Just speculation.

[Kaghuros]

I should think that profiles aren't going to be approved for living death knights anymore, seeing as people who made approved profiles are already being grandfathered in. Though obviously they'll make exceptions if there's a good reason to.

I do need to ask a question though. If you haven't felt the need to make a profile for the character in (presumably) such a long time, was their story really that set in stone? Was their RP that important or so heavily involved in having a living character that it can't be changed? If it was, why didn't you make a profile for them in the year or so you've been on the server, or the month and some since Grakor said he'd be rendering an unfavorable decision on the character type?

[Spiralin]

I should think that profiles aren't going to be approved for living death knights anymore, seeing as people who made approved profiles are already being grandfathered in. Though obviously they'll make exceptions if there's a good reason to.

I do need to ask a question though. If you haven't felt the need to make a profile for the character in (presumably) such a long time, was their story really that set in stone? Was their RP that important or so heavily involved in having a living character that it can't be changed? If it was, why didn't you make a profile for them in the year or so you've been on the server, or the month and some since Grakor said he'd be rendering an unfavorable decision on the character type?

I'd like to just point out, that not everybody enjoys writing profiles. I'd like to use one of my characters, Faelion as an example. I had him for four months before profiling, and I'd never retcon what happened in those four months, profile or not. I know at least another as well, who rarely writes profiles. But has some of the best quality characters, that are really thought out, and have at least been around a year without profile.

And, of course, nothing is stated you have to profile a character. Regardless of play time.

[hiddengecko]

I should think that profiles aren't going to be approved for living death knights anymore, seeing as people who made approved profiles are already being grandfathered in. Though obviously they'll make exceptions if there's a good reason to.

I do need to ask a question though. If you haven't felt the need to make a profile for the character in (presumably) such a long time, was their story really that set in stone? Was their RP that important or so heavily involved in having a living character that it can't be changed? If it was, why didn't you make a profile for them in the year or so you've been on the server, or the month and some since Grakor said he'd be rendering an unfavorable decision on the character type?

Yes. Yes, it was. I don't profile characters unless I have to.
I've had her ever since Antia was approved. Simply because I don't really feel like sharing a character's backstory doesn't mean I don't take them seriously.

[sunday12321]

Actually there -used- to be a rule that characters between level 40 - 50 have to have a profile in the making. And that a 50+ needs a profile approved. Question is if it is still valid today.

[Wuvvums]

I'm not sure if we should allow profiling of living DKs that just didn't have their profile made, especially since we had been debating living death knights for who knows how long? I mean, you were aware that we at least twice brought it to the table to debate how they should be treated and it was slightly plausible the server policy might have changed on it. Can't say this was really out of the blue, and at least sometime in that span it should have been considered to write a profile so GMs could look over what was considered one of the most controversial kinds of characters on the server anyways.

[sunday12321]

I blame Blizzard for this whole mess, and the lack of -proper lore- on third gen DKs.

DAMN YOU BLIZZARD.

Done.

[Wuvvums]

To be fair, I could see why every tiny aspect of lore may not be a high priority for a video-game company. *shrug*

I don't think WoW was made specifically with RP in mind, that's why it's up to CotH to establish some parts of it, and rule out other parts.

[Alykia]

"The current stance on living DKs: not possible. No more such characters will be approved."...

"Quite frankly, I don't care about your DK ERP.

Any questions?"

<3

This server just won 50 awesome points.

I love you.

Otherwise, I feel the urge to ask if it'd be possible (perhaps in the future) to make a custom prestige that involves the artificial transformation into a creature similar to a death knight (likely through the use of highly advanced necromantic magics, similarly to a graven one) that would allow a character that fits that description to be played.

Your making a character that looks like a death knight, acts like a death knight and basically IS a death knight.

But calling it something else so they can be alive.

A way to make a living death knight, just calling it something else.
That seems like a rather blatant 'cheating the system' thing to me. Honestly… Why even bother? Why not just accept death knights as being undead and just play them as they are.

Well I'm confused on one respect. If living DKs are still running around, how are living DKs not possible? Or did you just mean that in the sense that no one can be them any more?

It’s a phase out. it's not possible to make any more, while allowing the ones grandfathered in to be able to play out their stories until the reset.

What about those of us who have had living Death Knights for a great while, but never profiled them? I really do hope I'm not going to be expected to retcon RP I've already done.

The gms are nice and will probably work with you on a one and one basis.. HOWEVER, this is EXACTLY an example of why if a person is making a character they want to roleplay seriously or regularly, they should make a profile for it... or at the very -least- have one in the workshop while your developing and playing your character so that any blatant issues with it can be pointed out by fellow players.

If a character does not have an approved profile, then that the character is not, honestly, an officially approved character to be played on this server.

The character profile process is VERY important and a way to say, Yes, this character fits the lore of the CoTH and conforms to the rules and regulations of this server.

Otherwise you could run around roleplaying something like say.. a naga... Then gameing it for ages and never bothering to put in the effort to make a proper profile...

Then one day someone says 'Hay wait a minute, nagas are against the rules to roleplay here' your faced with these mounths and mounths of roleplay on a character that shouldnt exist... but you never had this explained because you did not put the effort into makeing a profile. Thus faced with the issue of haveing to negate weeks of roleplay.

If your going to be playing a character regularly and/or seriosly, it really should have a profile made.

Putting it off to the point of never making one is never a good idea, not only for the issue your faceing but for the chance that perhaps other aspects of the character you want as well may or may not be appropriate for this server.

This is what helps this server keep the quality of roleplay it holds, outside of makesing sure that we have a player base of respectful and good gamers.. it makes sure that characters are appropriate as well. It may be a hassle, but it is a -hassle worth doing- to keep the quality of the server we have that makes this server better then even the retail ones and draws so many people.

Spoiler:

Personaly my vote would be a 'no' on letting players going 'But I already rp a Living DK, I just dont have a profile!' to play a Death knight.

Its another way to reinforce the importance of haveing a profile at least started in the workshop so as to circumvent the very real and possible chance of players makeing characters with lore/rule issues.

In adition to the valid point that Kaghuros made that players should have known that the living death knight thing was an issue and should have made a point of working on a profile for those characters, even if they were ignoreing the effort to put in for other characters.

But then I'm not a GM, and they will probably look at profiles at a case by case basis.

/edit: Had this as another post, but rather then add to the post count on this thread, took Lost's example of personal asside comment, and just added it here.

[LostStranger]

I should think that profiles aren't going to be approved for living death knights anymore, seeing as people who made approved profiles are already being grandfathered in. Though obviously they'll make exceptions if there's a good reason to.

I do need to ask a question though. If you haven't felt the need to make a profile for the character in (presumably) such a long time, was their story really that set in stone? Was their RP that important or so heavily involved in having a living character that it can't be changed? If it was, why didn't you make a profile for them in the year or so you've been on the server, or the month and some since Grakor said he'd be rendering an unfavorable decision on the character type?

I don't think I have to say where my sympathies lie in this matter, as a player that's totally cold-shouldered the process.

Though it's certainly a different circumstance, as there is no policy declaring that warlocks are no longer allowed...

...What would be said if I decided that I wanted Tavren, for those familiar with him, to be a mage?

Is that well, dandy, and fine because he isn't profiled and thus having never been as far as the system is concerned?

Spoiler:

On the other hand, I'm not sure how much being "alive" ultimately matters.

When you look at it, what is the disparity between an undead and merely corrupted death knight?

The latter type presumably still reacts to the Holy Light in the same, painful way.

There's no reason the former has to be without sensory perception, death knights being the remarkably high order of undead they are.

Both harbor the basic, hysterical desire to murder, maim, torture, and destroy.

The former is not necessarily incapable of sleeping, tasting, f**king, or whatever else you'd like to do with your death knight that seems like a "living" thing.

I'm unsure if latter classification could get inebriated or poisoned anyways.

There aren't any extreme differences between the two artifical classifications' respective psychologies, not inherently, if there are any at all.

...given what I perceive as a minute, perhaps superfluous differences between the two "breeds", I don't know why "living" death knights need to remain extant at all.

Their "living" actions and attributes need not conflict with a lack of heartbeat.

[Spiralin]

I'm not sure if we should allow profiling of living DKs that just didn't have their profile made, especially since we had been debating living death knights for who knows how long? I mean, you were aware that we at least twice brought it to the table to debate how they should be treated and it was slightly plausible the server policy might have changed on it. Can't say this was really out of the blue, and at least sometime in that span it should have been considered to write a profile so GMs could look over what was considered one of the most controversial kinds of characters on the server anyways.

I had really thought this was out of the blue. You can't blame a player with reasoning, "You should've known, why didn't you make a profile before this, your fault!" As, some people who may have even found the controversy pointless. Probably didn't even keep up on the argument.(Myself is one of those people who probably didn't even keep up on the debate)

I find forcing retcons out of the blue is really annoying, it's happened to me before. So, I can understand Hiddengecko. It kind of ruined the character and now I don't even play them.