Orphan Whistle.

[zeromanzx]

They are companions not pets.

Children are children.

Plus, I don't really think you understand. There are parents on this server, as well as some kids, and I don't really think many people want to see kids put in places that are dangerous. Just do what Hawk did with Draknir's kid and have the kid stay at home the whole time. I've never really been able to see the logic behind bringing a kid out into such a dangerous world in the first place.

And i don't think you understand...
They don't want to see an IC kid in those places either, but that is allowed.
And if you just have the kid stay at home all the time, you may as well not have a kid at all.

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Just because you can not see the child on your screen, does not make them getting hurt any less offensive.

[FlyingSquirrel]

But the point is, kids aren't in that place. I've never seen someone RP a kid outside of a small house.

And really? From the point of a kid in their own, I'd much rather only see my Army (for an example) father once a year then be on the line of duty in danger for that year.

Plus, a kid still has a lot of RP opportunities even without it there. People still talk about their kids when they're not there, right?

[zeromanzx]

This is getting completely off the main point.
Having the models with you instead of just saying they are with you would not change where you take them...
If people would take their kids to war with them with the in game model... they would without it too.

I am not saying change any rules. Kids are allowed to be had as I understand, and you guys are telling me that you have had them with you in safe conditions.

I do not see how having the models with you would change the fact that people with the kids only want to have them with them in these safe conditions.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Honestly, I don't think that people are okay with kids even being in dangerous places, and I don't think that the GM team would be okay with it, either. Perhaps you've just brought light to the issue.

Anyways, leaving the thread. To be frank, it's just making me queasy.

[ImagenAshyun]

I will side with everyone's opinion as far as taking children out to battlefields go. However, not every guardian (not just parents) will be RPing with children in dangerous situations. Think more domestic RPs, where players who RP a family will be having a simple outing where children are taken out for fun.

Granted, though, not every character will be a model parent, but children in a storyline can bring a special flavor in character development. I mentioned it'd be nice if Bastos, my thug character, can have a little Belf girl to follow around. He's -not- a good parent--he's a thief, he exposes Anaka to danger, he even takes her out to the Plaguelands where she would be babysat by his boss (Torr, a warlock). However, part of his storyline unique to just the character is his path to redemption: he wants to find Anaka a proper home, but not in an orphanage as she requested. By the time Anaka is given a home, the character model will not be needed, and she'll have a happy ending like you see in other child stories. This kind of story, I wouldn't mind RPing out.

However, I am not too choked up in having the Orphan's Whistle available. To my knowledge, there are only human, orc, draenei, belf, wolvar, and gorlock children models available through the Orphan's Whistle. Either way, the lot of us will be RPing invisible children if any are present.

[zeromanzx]

Maybe I have, but the point we have gotten to on the threads subject is...

Literally the only thing that having the models available would change... is the realism aspect of being able to see the child. That is what I wanted.

Having the model will not suddenly allow you to get the child hurt... that can already happen.

And I personally do not see anything wrong with having a child with you inside a city. Taking a 7 year old like my characters daughter to somewhere like say... Booty Bay? That is not acceptable. But a character walking with his daughter through Stormwind... that is nothing to get offended about. It is a happy sight to see a loving father/mother with their daughter walking around, out of harms way.

Simple fix if you ask me... add the whistles to be useable... But kids can not be put in danger in any way.

[Rosencrat]

You're right, the point of the thread has gotten off topic.

But there really isn't a big enough reason to have a model when you can just RP it existing.

[zeromanzx]

I am not saying at all that we have to have the whistle to RP with kids. But it would be better in my opinion, and would make the RP more fun/enjoyable.

Rather than having to imagine it, we could literally watch my characters daughter skip everywhere they go together.

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I mean... I don't see a reason at all to have added the kick animation model...

But there it is.

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and imagen...you either hush or get on Kapre to start planning another get-together. Or else I don't want to hear anymore out of you!

Actually that is a lie.

[kindle135]

Children would kill most combat and adventure RP, realistically, they would fit in in small tavern RP and domestic RP, where it is rather easy to just emote it out. You don't have to alert every new person, you can just emote the child doing something else and said new person -should- get it, but it's no hassle to explain if they ask.

[zeromanzx]

It does not kill it for me. Raynoltz has a daughter, and he still just the other day fought a demon and her pet, and is also often on duty as a Justicar in Shattrath. When on duty or off in combat, he leaves her with my other character Thaddeus. People don't have to have their child with them at all times. Just like Kapre and I say. Out in public areas like Main cities.

No one is stupid/cruel enough to take their kids off to war. Atleast I hope not.

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Now, obviously I understand this probably won't be put in, and that is fine. The whistles are just a suggestion for something to add to the "Death animation, kick, stealth animation" Pile. It would just make it more interesting and such.

I mean, anytime before people would just emote that they kicked.
Now there is an item that makes you do the actual kick animation.

So why not have models put in for the kids some already have.

It would just be another item for players to actually show the currently unseen.

Rather than just saying you kick someone... have your character kick them.
Rather than say you are sneaking around, have your character actually be sneaking.
Rather than lying down and saying your character fell over dead, have them fall over dead.
So why not...
Rather than saying you have a kid following you... have a kid following you.

[Saiyuu]

My two cents here, since everyone is doing it.


Frankly, I don't dislike the idea. I'm pretty sure zeromanzx doesn't plan to bring -any- child into a battlefield, he's merely mentioning an example. Even if he did, I think some of us could learn to deal with OOC feelings. Frankly, there are characters that you will hate OOC'ly, including their actions, but are you going to tell people to stop playing them just because of that? Some would (because no lie, this community has some individuals that often forget about Rule #1, Respect).

If you have a problem with the idea, there's no need to be infuriated by it. Argue calmly and politely, that's what civilized people do, they just don't go "don't do it, never". You aren't their owner, you don't order them around, and you are more likely to convince them if you speak in a friendly and polite manner than if you don't.

The idea has good and bad points, it is not bad, and it can be worked on, especially because it might become a bother if you have to emote every time that someone arrives that you have a child standing by your char's side, so the whistle is a viable option. On the other hand, it might be worthy considering -where- to take those children (like, Booty Bay, I wouldn't go anywhere near a thousand miles from there with a child).

So, my two cents given, I just ask people to try and see it in a more positive light and trust the players a little more from time to time, and respect their feelings and thoughts.

[zeromanzx]

Like... for one thing. I am a very... Chaste person IRL. I was offended when Kapre and them were talking about a threesome, when he and Celes were supposed to be in a committed relationship. I did not even talk to him about it, because that was just one of the things, that happens in the reals world. Not everyone thinks alike.

[Cressy]

The only thing is, there is a lot of potential to abuse this system. And I remember Kretol denying this in the passed because of reasons like that. You might want to whisper him and ask him his take on it before this thread gets out of control.

And really, if you really have to have a child, just RP it out. Yeah, sometimes explaining to people you have a child is a bit tiring, but so is explaining that your female is built like a body builder and has no breasts. You kind of just deal with the mechanics that are given.

[zeromanzx]

How...could you abuse this?

[CappnRob]

If people want to RP a child companion, they will. The orphan whistle merely heightens the immersion. I honestly don't see why people are all choked up over the deal, in a game where we role play people facing demons, hellish undead, getting brutally harmed and killed, ect ect ect, like it's no big deal, but when a child is involved, it is. But I digress. The "abuse" potential here is that if you have a kid, BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN to it, but really, if someone wanted to RP a warrior exposing his child to brutal combat (which honestly would make sense for like, trolls and orcs, probably), then they'll do it with or without the companion model.

Furthermore, the idea that it offends people is a finnicky one at best, because as said before, a lot of other things ARE allowed in RP without consideration of OOC offense, such as sexual deviancy, drug use, and whatever the hell else have you. Children are a special case purely because... we have parents who RP here? That seems like a flimsy foundation, imo. It's not reality, it's cooperative storytelling. Yeah, you're allowed to be offended by it OOC, but should that impede things IC?

Either way, I don't care. Just playing some devil's advocate.