This bothers me

[Drak]

rofl

people taking elf hate seriously

what is this

Frankly, it's annoying. One of the top three rules of comedy is "to know when to stop". It might be funny the first ten times, but then it's just waaaay boring. An interesting thing about the human mind is if it is told something over and over for a certain time it'll start believing it. That's why some kids hate school, they start believing all the bad name calling is true.

[Rowgen]

I suppose our conclusion is that everyone dislikes the OOC hate against races. I think it probably should be a topic to be avoided, and I'll try to avoid it myself.

Constructive criticism is key. People, try to not say "you're doing it wrong". Rather, try to say "you could do better if you did <insert this or that>, and then added a bit of <insert this or that>." Try to help one another, instead of just saying "lolusuck" and be done with it.

Key word in this sentence is try, though. Sometimes people have a bad day, and that should be respected, too.

[Piken]

I suppose our conclusion is that everyone dislikes the OOC hate against races. I think it probably should be a topic to be avoided, and I'll try to avoid it myself.

Constructive criticism is key. People, try to not say "you're doing it wrong". Rather, try to say "you could do better if you did <insert this or that>, and then added a bit of <insert this or that>." Try to help one another, instead of just saying "lolusuck" and be done with it.

Key word in this sentence is try, though. Sometimes people have a bad day, and that should be respected, too.

Kinda like.. It's not what you said, it's how you said it. /nod

[Cressy]

At the end of the day, it is all about being respectful towards each other.

Just be nice, kiddos. :3

[CappnRob]

To be honest I don't see why ANYONE would really hate something as inconsequential as a video game race. I mean, come on.

It's a video game race. How can you let that actually bother you. It isn't real. Their ethics aren't real. Their culture isn't real. Their aesthetics aren't real. It is completely inconsequential.

The closest I get to "hating" a race, is orcs. And I don't hate orcs, I just can't figure out how to RP one in a way that personally satisfies me. So, really, I am upset with my RP limitations, not the race.

So yeah. Can't people get mad over something more important than how pretty elves are? Srsly.

[Bingles]

To be honest I don't see why ANYONE would really hate something as inconsequential as a video game race. I mean, come on.

It's a video game race. How can you let that actually bother you. It isn't real. Their ethics aren't real. Their culture isn't real. Their aesthetics aren't real. It is completely inconsequential.

The closest I get to "hating" a race, is orcs. And I don't hate orcs, I just can't figure out how to RP one in a way that personally satisfies me. So, really, I am upset with my RP limitations, not the race.

So yeah. Can't people get mad over something more important than how pretty elves are? Srsly.

It's a video game race. How can you let that actually bother you. It isn't real. Their ethics aren't real. Their culture isn't real. Their aesthetics aren't real. It is completely inconsequential.

It's a video game race. How can you let that actually bother you. It isn't real. Their ethics aren't real. Their culture isn't real.

It's a video game race..

THIS.

[Harmonic]

This is a place where people get agitated over quite a few odd things that do not matter. It just so happens, that it's getting to annoy others now too, that people have to get so uppity over the smallest details, or, over people playing options that are available to them, such as elves, or any class that's available normally to them, or...

Anything else that people create in their minds as being "Outstanding". I remember getting hate from people when I rolled my first DK... a night elf. It's like how people try and discourage others from rolling Tauren, Draenei, or Gnome DK's. I think it's silly when people do that, as silly as others talking crap about people playing elves.

It borders on jealousy, and comes off as piety. If a person wants to roll these available options, it's -not- anyone's place to tell them they'd be better off rolling "Something else!".

It's funny, because as much as everyone says "We need more Horde! ROLL ORCS!", I don't even think the people saying that have because the Orc population is still pretty low. Not Gnome/Female Dwarf low, but still low. Thus proving, that people are either extremely hypocritical, or that they don't even practice what they preach.

I think everyone should roll Murlocs and we should all take over one of the lakes near Stormwind, and that we should roleplay gurgling at eachother while eating fish heads. That'll show those elves!

MURLOCS!

[Piroska]

To be frank, this is a judgmental community, regardless of the topic at hand. Classes. Races. Archetypes. Combat. Personal interpretations. Storylines. Application of World of Warcraft knowledge. It can be exceedingly negative at times and a lot of what I have seen regarding these sorts of denigrating comments occur in the OOC cavern. Frequently by people who sit around for extended periods of time lamenting about how there's no roleplay -- or that what roleplay exists isn't up to their personal expectations. It's a little irksome to log in and almost every time read a discussion regarding how other people are doing something wrong.

Which isn't to say that this sort of behavior isn't limited to in-game shenanigans. How many threads have we seen over the years that appear to only exist as veiled attempts to point out what others are doing wrong? The attempt may be to teach others, but a lot of times they just come off as superior-minded individuals telling others how their way is the correct way to do something.

I don't know if it's an outgrowth of this idea that we're a safe haven for "real" roleplayers, but it comes across as elitist and frightfully narrow-minded. We're a better community than this. I've been here long enough to personally know that!

All it takes is being a little more accepting.

[Kenshiro]

I think we should all just chill out.

I mean, I've said the "Lawl, elves and nomz." as a joke, but not overly as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I have elves.

It may bother you, but can't we just ignore it. A reaction is what they're looking for so they can argue against you. Give them nothing and their 'game' becomes boring and they start hating on... Humans. Or something.

It's endless but if we all just let it go, it will go.

Now here's a picture of some badass Pokemon art...

[raerae]

I've been known to say stuff like "Oh great, that's what the server needs, more blood elves." in response to people saying they're going to create a new one.

I apologize for nothing. They're the lowest race population lore-wise, but they're the prettiest race so everyone makes one.

So there winds up being five times as many BE as anything else except maybe humans, and niche races can't get anything together in the mean-time.

There's basically no other Horde on the server. I wanted to make a Troll or a Tauren, but I realized that I'd probably never get race specific RP on them unless I dragged people onto those alts kicking and screaming.. and that's not worth it at all. :/

[SachikoMaeda]

They're the lowest race population lore-wise, but they're the prettiest race so everyone makes one.

Player population =/= actual population
I may be notorious for having many Belves and rolling more of them, but they're what I do best. And they happen to look good while doing their business. But there are some of us that play "ugly Belves". Example: Immy's Urameil.

And fun fact: There's more humans made on this server than Blood Elves. Last I checked, roughly 200 more.


Also for the other races, I've tried to RP with my Orc or Tauren more, but it seems my Belves' stories end up taking priority since there's not much interest in those two. Save for Rowgen and Akua, but I rarely have an interest to play Akua (though if he harasses me enough, I'd glady hop to her if there's nothing else going on).

[Sol]

I apologize for nothing.

Sorry, but:



With that aside, I think it's important to differentiate between wanting racial diversity on the server and hating a given race. I think incredibly few people actually "hate" any race in the game. I'll admit, I sometimes roll my eyes when I log on to see the server population is unsurprisingly dominated by humans and blood elves, and I find myself smiling when I log on to find that this isn't the case. It doesn't bother me when I see sarcastic remarks directed at me when I'm on Ciaphas or Askari, because I know the feeling, if I try not to express it so bluntly.

I have plenty enough blood elves and humans myself, but I do feel for people who miss out on a lot of RP because their own tastes don't lend towards playing these more populous races. Personally, I prefer to maintain a fairly diverse character list in the interests of experiencing as many different kinds of RP as possible.

[ThePharaoh]

To be frank, this is a judgmental community, regardless of the topic at hand. Classes. Races. Archetypes. Combat. Personal interpretations. Storylines. Application of World of Warcraft knowledge. It can be exceedingly negative at times and a lot of what I have seen regarding these sorts of denigrating comments occur in the OOC cavern. Frequently by people who sit around for extended periods of time lamenting about how there's no roleplay -- or that what roleplay exists isn't up to their personal expectations. It's a little irksome to log in and almost every time read a discussion regarding how other people are doing something wrong.

Which isn't to say that this sort of behavior isn't limited to in-game shenanigans. How many threads have we seen over the years that appear to only exist as veiled attempts to point out what others are doing wrong? The attempt may be to teach others, but a lot of times they just come off as superior-minded individuals telling others how their way is the correct way to do something.

I don't know if it's an outgrowth of this idea that we're a safe haven for "real" roleplayers, but it comes across as elitist and frightfully narrow-minded. We're a better community than this. I've been here long enough to personally know that!

All it takes is being a little more accepting.

Can we put this on a banner or something? Or a T-shirt...Or the Wiki?

[Piroska]

I've been known to say stuff like "Oh great, that's what the server needs, more blood elves." in response to people saying they're going to create a new one.

I apologize for nothing. They're the lowest race population lore-wise, but they're the prettiest race so everyone makes one.

So there winds up being five times as many BE as anything else except maybe humans, and niche races can't get anything together in the mean-time.

There's basically no other Horde on the server. I wanted to make a Troll or a Tauren, but I realized that I'd probably never get race specific RP on them unless I dragged people onto those alts kicking and screaming.. and that's not worth it at all. :/

Please note that my reply isn't intended to be attacking you, but rather explore the fallacy of your post.

It's not right or even logical to lash out at others because they do not wish to play the races in which you are interested. Furthermore, I have a sneaky suspicion that it is actually detrimental to your hopes to play other races. Why would people wish to roll anything in light of such rampant negativity? One, people tend to be contrarian, so making denigrating remarks regarding their race choices probably encourages them to continue to do so. Two, people probably wouldn't want to interact with someone who makes negative comments regarding their roleplay choices, which further reduces the likelihood of you being able to convince them to roleplay with you on other characters.

It's not just a matter of being polite to others or embracing that people are choosing to roleplay at all. It's also recognizing that the way to encourage other types of roleplay isn't by reacting negatively to anything contrary to your wishes.

If you want to see a change, put forth the effort to do so and make it a positive effort. I've seen that Black Harvest has had amazing success with bringing more Forsaken roleplay to the server and I'm fairly certain that it wasn't the result of negatively commenting about other people's race choices. They created an environment in which Forsaken characters can interact and proceed with their own ambitions and plots while interacting with other like-minded individuals. As it garnered more members, others have joined. This has resulted in an organization that has, at times, rivaled the number of humans and blood elves actively played on the server combined.

I'm not good at analyzing other people and understanding the reasons why they do things, but I believe that they would not have had as much success had they chosen to cajole and ridicule others.

[Harmonic]

I think one of the problems is that people aren't getting the point here, there's s difference between not agreeing with it, and making snarky off-handed remarks that constantly belittle people who enjoy playing elves. I made a comic a while back, that poked fun at "Playing elves" on CoTH. I received quite a bit of negative feedback because people felt I was "Making fun of people that play elves". What people don't realize, due to the fact my main is a human, is that -I also play elves-. Honestly, I probably wouldn't have made it if I knew people were already making crappy comments about elves. While it's different to do it here and there, tease about it every so often, or make fun of a little fact about CoTH...

What everyone is saying is that it's getting old now. Hearing it every day, or being scrutinized because your rolled an elf is tolerable UP to the point where you've heard it only fifty-some times. While I doubt people are asking for apologies, we do ask it stops and are saying politely that it's getting old.

It's not -so- polite to respond to us with the "I'm not apologizin' to NOTHIN'" sort of stuff. Sorry, but there's better ways to express your feelings there, as we've all been keeping it pretty civil. If you want us to respect your feelings that -yes- there are a lot of elves and it needs to change, please then respect the feelings of people that want to no longer hear crap about elves. It's a two way street, however, the hard part is that...

You can't dictate what people roll, but there are rules for respecting what they do end up rolling. I'm not particularly fond of Undead or Gnomes, but I don't go "Oh great, another terrible-y played gnome" then say to people I'm not going to apologize for being antagonizing.