Re-done Race Relation Guide, Preparing for Cata

[flammos200]

Blood Elves and Draenei can be cool with each-other...Consider that it's a Draenei(Velen) that offered the Blood Elves the path to redemption, that would "rebirth the soul of a nation", as it were. ...'The Light is about peace, acceptance, etc.' ...

(So, can I quote you on this? No particular reason.

It's not relevant to my interests at all.

<.< )

Flammy gives Cara a Look. You clearly aren't planning anything.

But yes. Feel free.
"I've seen you in a vision, naaru. My race's only hope for survival lies with you. My followers and I are here to serve you."

[c0rzilla]

Might I suggest a note on how the Night Elves view their Highborne cousins, now that they're moving back in? Also perhaps a note on how the human nations view each other, the Dwarven nations...

Lots of nuance.

[Harmonic]

The draenei are also coming to loathe the blood elves, due to the unprovoked assault on Tempest Keep by the blood elves under Kael'thas and their new methods of feeding their magical addiction. They do see that not all blood elves serve Kael'thas and even Velen himself has forebodingly told of the redemption of the elven race in the Sunwell Plateau epilogue. As with any other races though, there are people among them that have strong opinions and beliefs based on first impressions: Despite the help offered by the Scryers and Naaru's acceptance of them the Aldor are in strict competition with them, going so far as not to associate at all with those who have chosen to side with the Scryers.

While it may be true that they allied, it didn't really change their perception of the race as a while. Taken from here. As has been true for Draenei, and seems to be stated multiple times, they are a race that bases a heck of a lot of things on first impressions. And now that the Shattared Sun Offensive has served it's purpose, what a lot of people go off of is the existing competition between the Aldor and Scryer groups, as well as the memory of how they trashed the Exodar, forcing them to crash onto Azeroth.

[c0rzilla]

Ehhh...

The thing about that quote is it focuses on the Aldor, a very old and fairly strict sect. Another note to consider, is the prophecy of the Army of the Light* which many, many draenei hold to. If they didn't crash on Azeroth, they wouldn't have found the Alliance, and wouldn't have eventually punted Kil'jaeden back to the Nether. Azeroth is the first planet they've been on that has successfully fended off the Legion a number of times. I'm not saying they'd be all hugs with sin'dorei, but the utter loathing might be a bit much too with the big picture.

And, being millennia old, draenei are very big picture.

...Is this going into "debate" territory?

*If you look on the page for this, you'll notice it includes most sentient, civilized races. Even goblins!

[Harmonic]

Actually, the context I was focusing on was this.

The draenei are also coming to loathe the blood elves, due to the unprovoked assault on Tempest Keep by the blood elves under Kael'thas and their new methods of feeding their magical addiction. They do see that not all blood elves serve Kael'thas and even Velen himself has forebodingly told of the redemption of the elven race in the Sunwell Plateau epilogue.

And I don't think it is going into debate territory. I'll look in the uh, Blood Elf section of the wiki, but I'm not really finding anything in the Wiki to suggest the Shattared Sun offensive was as friendly as the Cenarion Circle is. I'd love to avoid this going into a debate, and for such things to be supported by actual links from the wiki, which I'll do my best to do. Oooone moment.

Edit: And I did see Flamm's links, but... they go more into the territory of describing what's going on. Doesn't exactly say they are buddy-buddy.

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It also says that the Army of the Light is a force that's going to happen... twenty Millenia in the future.


That's like... that's a rediculously long time and not really uh... relevant right now? It's understanding that Valen sees this, but he'd also know he's allied with the Alliance and that they are currently at war.

This is getting too very close to where I'd have to make a portion to describe every facet and organization of the races, while this is a general and broad overview, again by no means the absolute end all be all gospel truth for every character of these races ever. Heh.








Okay, I couldn't find any info to the contrary or to the uh, well, counter, other than what I provided and what Flammos provided. I'll delete the entry I wrote about them hating blood elves, and I'll mention stuff about Velen's prophecy, as well as the tenuous relationship formed with the Shattered Sun offensive. Sound good?

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Edited.

[Harmonic]

At the end, I put in some quotes from MoP, to illustrate how Garrosh and Varian feel about the other factions, something that seems to come after the events of Cata. It's more to provide an outlook at how things -sort- of are now, and how they will become in the future once the war starts to pick up steam.

[Psychyn]

Liking it so far. :3 While the quotes are from MoP, I personally think they pretty much feel the same way in Cata. Here's a bunch from Varian I found on his wiki page, shame there's no source as to when he said it. http://www.wowpedia.org/Varian_Wrynn#Quotes

"Look around you, brothers and sisters. Open your eyes! Look at what they have done to our kingdom! How much longer will we allow these savages free reign in our world?"

"I was away for too long. My absence cost us the lives of some of our greatest heroes. Trash like you and that evil witch were allowed to roam free, unchecked. The time has come to make things right. To disband your treacherous kingdom of murderers and thieves. Putress was the first strike. Many more will come.

"At the Wrathgate, the Horde's partnership killed more of our men than the Scourge. I'm done with your Horde. May this death god take you all."

The last one seems fairly recent, with his mentioning of the Wrathgate. (Not entirely sure, year 27 - 29? Lich king fell recently) I always went with the idea that the majority of humans would stick to their King's opinion and feelings. Military and citizens alike. (By no means saying a player should, just more food for thought seeing you added MoP quotes. It's just how most of my own toons are.)

Edit; Seems to be part of his general quotes, I should try spam-clicking the guy.

Varian was given several voiced lines outside of the Ulduar trailer in Patch 3.2.0.

Hrm.. Nope. They don't trigger.

[Zhaei]

And anyone who's cool with Goldrinn is cool with the NElves. The reverse is also true.

Except for the orcs, but that's delving into the realms of pedantry.

[Harmonic]

Liking it so far. :3 While the quotes are from MoP, I personally think they pretty much feel the same way in Cata. Here's a bunch from Varian I found on his wiki page, shame there's no source as to when he said it. http://www.wowpedia.org/Varian_Wrynn#Quotes

"Look around you, brothers and sisters. Open your eyes! Look at what they have done to our kingdom! How much longer will we allow these savages free reign in our world?"

"I was away for too long. My absence cost us the lives of some of our greatest heroes. Trash like you and that evil witch were allowed to roam free, unchecked. The time has come to make things right. To disband your treacherous kingdom of murderers and thieves. Putress was the first strike. Many more will come.

"At the Wrathgate, the Horde's partnership killed more of our men than the Scourge. I'm done with your Horde. May this death god take you all."

The last one seems fairly recent, with his mentioning of the Wrathgate. (Not entirely sure, year 27 - 29? Lich king fell recently) I always went with the idea that the majority of humans would stick to their King's opinion and feelings. Military and citizens alike. (By no means saying a player should, just more food for thought seeing you added MoP quotes. It's just how most of my own toons are.)

Edit; Seems to be part of his general quotes, I should try spam-clicking the guy.

Varian was given several voiced lines outside of the Ulduar trailer in Patch 3.2.0.

Hrm.. Nope. They don't trigger.

Ooooh. Thanks Psychyn, I'll toss those in when I get a chance.

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Updated!

[Geoni]

Given their histories with Draenei, it's needless to say they are also mistrustful of them as well.

I'd argue that it's the contrary.

*points to the Path of Glory*

I also think that older Orcs would feel different about Draenei than the younger Orcs. The older Orcs have been through living on the same planet with the Draenei and then tricked into trying to exterminate their race. If anything, the emotions shared between the races are far more complicated than "grr, race of the other faction, kill kill kill".

But yeah, Draenei are very accepting of almost any race despite how unaccepting the other races are of them *cough* humans *cough*. As for the way Draenei feel about Belfs, you can play it as you want it with your character, depending on his or her level of forgiveness and how open his/her mind is. I always like seeing the levels of forgiveness when it comes to how Draenei feel about the corruption of the Orcs. However trendy it might be for Draenei forgiving the Orcs, the attempted extermination of a race isn't something that's easy to forget about; this counts for both sides.

If anything, the Draenei might feel iffy about the forsaken and the Blood Elves. It'd take a while for a Draenei to understand the plight of the forsaken, and at first glance, they look like undead. The reasons they might feel iffy about Belfs are already listed in the thread.

Now on the note of Tauren, their loyalty may vary. The Horde takes the mindset of "take whatever we can of the land so that we'll be victorious in war". This is a mindset that might upset a Tauren for cultural and religious reasons. If any Tauren were to see what the Warsong Clan was doing to the trees in Ashenvale, it's likely that they'll be upset by it. While they're loyal in their gratitude, I just can't see them to be as loyal to the Horde as the Troll are. However, I can see why they would be loyal to the Orcs, because Mulgore is precious to them, and it's thanks to the Orcs that they're able to keep it as it is. Goblins, on the other hand...

[Harmonic]

In Cata, there's a huge Horde Vs. Elf battle going on in Ashenvale---Tauren included. They may not like everything that goes on, but they sure do support their respective faction.