Cross-faction roleplay

[Blaize]

I´ll just leave one thing clear:

When I see someone roleplaying that they instantly get along with another character of the enemy race that they just met...I make a mental note of the names and those players are NEVER recieving my vouch, And seeing as how a lot of grunts feel that way...

It completely spoils the mood of warcraft. It isn´t fair if you´re putting in the effort to roleplay in a sensible and logical manner, taking into account racial traits and history...and three other people of the same race come along and act like frickin' care bears completely disregarding everything about lore! WHY SHOULD YOU BE THE EXCEPTIONAL ONE WHEN YOU´RE ROLEPLAYING WHAT YOUR RACE SHOULD BE!!???

[Roobald2]

I believe we should be able to have peaceful cross-faction roleplay, so long as we have a fairly decent reason or backstory for the character(s) being more peaceful. This doesn't mean players should be allowed in opposing factions cities, though there could be an exception or two. There's tons of people who do not believe in war(Most of the Orcs, Tauren, Gnomes and a few humans that are with Jaina, Wildhammer Dwarves mostly respect the Horde and avoid to fight them, probably also a few Blood Elves that still want to have a relation with former friends) and would rather battle the scourge than the Horde/Alliance.

[Yukai]

I understand this whole subject recently and yet I don't.

I'm half tired here so cut me some slack but - everyone Rps most cross faction (at least I've seen it be Rped) in neutral ground, where if we were to started slapping-upside-the-heading one another we'd have goblins running up and down our asses. The only time I've Rped with someone outside of the grounds it led to a fight, but that person wasn't sure on the lore so I gave them the one off.

So people winge that we're not bashing each other's heads in when ICly it would mean death and not from the other faction. Although...when I see people get attacked for being around the horde/alliance outside of a neutral ground: we have ragetrains leaving every station.

So in conclusion of this unorganized mess:

If you want to lovey-dovey-make-believe-happy-fun-time - Ratchet and Booty Bay

If you want to raise the flag and march into holy matrimonious battle - Everywhere else.

[Roobald2]

Aaah.... I ofcourse forgot to say, I got no problems with more Alliance/Horde conflict, Dwarves, Humans, Night Elves, Forsaken, Orcs, Trolls, Blood Elves, Draenei they would atack eachother most of the time, sometimes the Night Elf would rather kill the human Warlock than the Orcish shaman, though.

I was also wondering if we should have a Neutral group in the Scourge Storyline? I haven't read anything about the Argent Dawn in it (didn't read all the posts).

[Hawk]

I understand this whole subject recently and yet I don't.

I'm half tired here so cut me some slack but - everyone Rps most cross faction (at least I've seen it be Rped) in neutral ground, where if we were to started slapping-upside-the-heading one another we'd have goblins running up and down our asses. The only time I've Rped with someone outside of the grounds it led to a fight, but that person wasn't sure on the lore so I gave them the one off.

So people winge that we're not bashing each other's heads in when ICly it would mean death and not from the other faction. Although...when I see people get attacked for being around the horde/alliance outside of a neutral ground: we have ragetrains leaving every station.

So in conclusion of this unorganized mess:

If you want to lovey-dovey-make-believe-happy-fun-time - Ratchet and Booty Bay

If you want to raise the flag and march into holy matrimonious battle - Everywhere else.

QFT!

He's right, y'know.

[therew]

" But its lore brakeing that the tauren didnt eat the gnome the second he saw him! QQ"
MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN LORE!
If you are worried about what someone else character is doing, then I think you are rping for the wrong reason. Focus on being enjoyable and enjoying those around you and maybe it wont bother you so much that two characters who have nothing to do with you are getting along.

By this logic, you can have all the vampire/half-demon etc. you want as long as you're "just having fun."

I thought your argument was wonderful until you posted that. This server is run off of altered Warcraft lore, like it or not. That means certain things, and if characters or events are -blatantly- against lore we do not want them here, nor will we allow them to linger here.

I figured some would take it out of context of me saying " Make your own damn lore". I think its just patihic that people will judge another player for how they play their character. Refusing to vouch someone because their character gets along with someone else just makes me want to not role play with the guy refusing to give the vouch. I give everyone the benefit of a doubt that they have something in their history that makes them react to that race they way they do. If someone role play doesn't agree with me, I don't make forum posts saying how they should role play my way. I talk to them one on one, explain what I'm thinking and if they choose to agree with me then I help them adjust their character history to make it so they can play their character how ever they want so long its inside server rules to not be half orc/ half neko/ half dragon or what ever. If they choose not to agree with me then I don't worry about it. Their character's history is not apart of my character's story. Their appearance is and I'm just going to react to them according to how they roleplay. Thats all their is to it. Honestly if a half neko/half dragon came across my death knight then I will react to it Icly, laugh about it oocly, and I will enjoy my death knights reaction.

My focus in rp is always to be enjoyed, enjoy those around me, and enhance the story of those I role play with. I was in a rp the other day where my character was to be captured, and brutally killed. It didn't work out that way, my character escaped and his attacker now has a permanent limp. After that event we all spent the next 30 to 40 minutes making jokes and laughing over how the event went. No one made forum posts QQ'ing all over the place about lore and what not. We laughed about it, wrote it into our stories, and went on our marry way making our own lore. Not soon after that I had a tauren versus Tauren argument over a death knight in the horde. Did our characters take it personally? Probrally. Did we on a ooc level go all emo on the forums saying how one character was brakeing lore because they didnt agree with each other, no. Hell no. We to busy playing our characters stories, writing our lore, and having a good time to worry about that kind of crap.

I think that's what everyone should aim for. Someone does something ICly and then suddenly that character doesn't exists in your WoW then you are reacting to it wrong.

[Nostra]

I think that people is going off topic here.

Cross faction RP is allowed as long as it can be justified with realistic arguements. If you see someone's character act oddly your best bet would be to ask the player about it, maybe they are unaware of the race's backround. Then help them with it. Remember to be and sound polite about it!

If people are roleplaying in a way that has no basis in canon or explains their actions with a "stfu" or some long, unrealistic reasoning or other such things your best bet would be to screenshot and PM a GM. Which sadly is something that people does not heed too often.

Something that could be said is that if you do, the other player will not be banned for one such instance. But what if we have already have long discussions with the player about how they can't play their blood elf loving vampire nelf-manbearpig, then you not reporting it will basically cause more trouble by letting the lore-breaking player run around, causing drama when he interacts with other players etc.

[Cressy]

This has gotten off topic of Kretol's initial plans for the thread. All he wants to know is what you think. Don't go posting eighty-billion things about why someone is wrong or why someone is right. State your opinion and don't feel the need/want to post to people who oppose. It is a poll for Christ's sake.

Srsly.

[Rubykuby]

This has gotten off topic of Kretol's initial plans for the thread. All he wants to know is what you think. Don't go posting eighty-billion things about why someone is wrong or why someone is right. State your opinion and don't feel the need/want to post to people who oppose. It is a poll for Christ's sake.

Srsly.

Forums are there for discussions

Myself, I think that cross-faction roleplay should be possible, but not a standard.
And upon someone finding out that you're interacting with your sworn enemies in a kind manner, there should be consequences.

[Mikain]

Forums are there for discussions

Myself, I think that cross-faction roleplay should be possible, but not a standard.
And upon someone finding out that you're interacting with your sworn enemies in a kind manner, there should be consequences.

That's how I usually see it being handled when I'm in-game. Ic reactions to your fail ass ic liaison with the enemy. :P
Not sure where all this ooc crap is spewing from, on either side.

[Mahumia]

I'll post my 2 coppers too, even though most has been said already ^^

I think that crossfaction rp can be quite possible. Surely when you're needing eachother, whether you like it or not (for example: the battle for the wrathgate (?) cinema in wotlk (forgot the name of the quest, it's in the questchain to fight for the Undercity). And crossfaction rp doesn't need to be all fluffy and overly friendly. IC arguing is also RP
Of course it's also depending on the background of your character and the race. Indeed, Tauren and gnomes will be more likely to have a peaceful conversation with eachother then a night elf and a troll, for example.

The place would also matter: are you on neutral ground or on someones 'territory'? I think that hostible rp doesn't need to be the same as killing the other. For example: if Cattie would come across an agressive appearing orc somewhere on the border of Elwynn forest, she would probably first try to brag, hoping that the orc would leave. If that wouldn't help, she would probably run for it and inform the guards of Stormwind. Why? She knows from stories that orcs are fierce fighters and she doesn't think that her chances of winning a fight would be high... Especially not in a place that far away from any help in case she would get severely injured. Of course, the response would depend on your character But I wouldn't be in for a teaparty... Maybe she could have a more or less 'peaceful' conversation with horde in a neutral place like Ratchet/Booty Bay, but it would be with huge distrust and watching her back. Not quite a cosy one

And ehm... solve things ic-ly please if you think that characters would be too friendly, take it ic and respond to it. There might be a good reason for it, and if not... well, then there will be consequences IC

[razzin91]

I think it would depend on the character. With diffrent backgrounds and the way you play your character, I think some of the races could get along. I agree with some people, I don't see a night elf and blood elf working together. I think some rpers would have races that don't really get along working together because they were "Working " You don't have to be best friends with someone to work with them.

[Renown0]

I voted for option #3, but I'd like to say that the reason needs to be MORE THAN DECENT.

[Seraphim]

Sort of resurrecting a post, so my apologies for that, but I feel this is a drastically important issue that lies at the heart of this server and the way it is perceived. I voted for option 3, but with a strong inclination toward 4.

Many of the reasons I have for voting this way have already been written out in this thread, so I won't go over them, but there is one that hasn't been mentioned yet: OOC cross-faction hostility caused by a strict 'no cross-faction RP' policy.

As it stands, there is already quite a bit of OOC hatred for Alliance players on this server- Literally every time I'm in-game for any period of time, there are posts in chat about there being too many humans, too much going on in Stormwind, Alliance 'tea-party' RP; the list goes on.

It baffles me that the sort of animosity that Horde and Alliance players have for each other in retail would persist on a server such as this, but it sheds some light on what will happen if cross-faction RP is made to be against the rules: The OOC enmity will only become worse when Horde and Alliance players cannot interact except by killing each other, as is the case in retail. Inspiring IC hatred of characters is one thing, but worsening the OOC hatred of players is a very serious concern.

Lastly, some points from earlier in the discussion:

We are all here to roleplay, if you see something IC that you don't like then keep it Ic. Making posts on the forums about how wrong it is that a night elf and a blood elf can get along just makes the server look like a bunch of ass holes and makes it look like that everyone not focusing on having fun but focusing on the world being their way. Its Role PLAYING! the second word of it is PLAYING which implies that its not ment to be taken seriously. Everyone is here to have their own story, to have their own fun and at the end of the day they just want to sit back with a smile on their face glad that they were able to enjoy a day of roleplaying. All these forum posts where some of the server sitting back judging what other people do for fun just labels the guy making the posts as an ass hole.

If you are worried about what someone else character is doing, then I think you are rping for the wrong reason. Focus on being enjoyable and enjoying those around you and maybe it wont bother you so much that two characters who have nothing to do with you are getting along.

I think its just pathetic that people will judge another player for how they play their character. Refusing to vouch someone because their character gets along with someone else just makes me want to not role play with the guy refusing to give the vouch. I give everyone the benefit of a doubt that they have something in their history that makes them react to that race they way they do. If someone role play doesn't agree with me, I don't make forum posts saying how they should role play my way. I talk to them one on one, explain what I'm thinking and if they choose to agree with me then I help them adjust their character history to make it so they can play their character how ever they want so long its inside server rules to not be half orc/ half neko/ half dragon or what ever. If they choose not to agree with me then I don't worry about it. Their character's history is not apart of my character's story. Their appearance is and I'm just going to react to them according to how they roleplay.

In no way should this sort of RP be policed. I think that that undermines the introduction, character profile and vouching system. My logic behind this is that these systems asses a players maturity and as a result people should be more trusted to make their own RP rather than have their RP policed upon them. This does -not- mean I advocate bad RP in any sense but I do advocate creative freedom in a RP envoiroment so long as it is within reason and is not bothering others.

Quoted for truth so hard, it makes me want to rip the 'Q' 'F' and 'T' keys out of my keyboard and mail them to those guys via next-day delivery.

[gryphonqueen13]

I think calling it OOC hatred is a little strong. Based on my own experiences, any negativity directed toward the Stormwind area and its inhabitants is more resentment than outright hostility. The only reason there is any resentment at all is because on a server with such a small population, having such a large percentage of the community sequestered away having a 'tea party' reduces the opportunities for the rest of us to roleplay with them. I joined the server back in December, introduction accepted and every character I've posted has been approved with only minor corrections, and yet my name tag is still blue, not the coveted teal. Why's that? Mostly because I refuse to port my character to Stormwind when she would have absolutely no reason to go there. Nor do I want to make a Stormwind-bound character just for the sake of bending to the trend of the server. I'm not blaming or trying to point fingers at anyone, nor do I look down on anyone who enjoys the tavern scene. I prefer to find RP out in the world, and I'm aware that's a bit impractical on this server, but I'm a stubborn jerk sometimes.

I voted that cross-faction should be allowed, but only with reasonable behavior (no fluffy, "I love everyone" crap. IC arguing is still RP, as someone pointed out). Prohibiting cross-faction interaction other than violence really limits what people are willing to do. It's a fact of life- most people don't want their characters to die. I personally don't mind a little maiming here and there, as I think it adds flavor and interest to my RP, but I imagine a lot of people are somwhat protective of their characters. Honestly, this is completely understandable. You put a lot of work into crafting a fictional entity, and people want to preserve that. People should be able to RP with the other faction, with the understanding that some harm may come to their character, but they shouldn't be in fear of death. The situations should be tense, but not always necessarily deadly. Of course, if things turn nasty, there's always the possibility of death, but.... ehh. I think you get it.

I'm the proud owner of one vouch, which came from cross-faction RP. It was very tense, and ended up with my character permanently disfigured, but it was a hell of a lot of fun. That was the only opportunity that character has EVER had to RP with someone who is capable of giving vouches.

Agreeing with renown (I think that's who it was): cross faction RP should be allowed, but the reason needs to be more than decent. And please, take your race's paradigms into account.

Also agreeing with whoever said that someone who refuses to vouch for people who RP nonviolently with the other faction just makes me not want to RP with them. (Does that make sense? It seems a little wordy, even to me.) We're here to help each other and improve everyone's RP abilities. It may indeed be the case that the person interacting with the other faction might just have a good reason for doing so. The only way you're going to find out is to interact with that person yourself. If you talk to them and find out their reason is bogus, or they're just plain confused, or don't know their race's history, point it out! Help them to understand. Shunning people right off the bat isn't a good way to build community.

Anyway, I think I've made my point. I'm going to make a bagel.