Getting RP out of Stormwind

[Walrus]

She doesn't have reason to be in a particular area? Create one, it's not that hard.

Can I get an aaaaay-man.

AMEN!

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HALLELUJAH!

(To soon?)

[Anski]

You, and others really, seem to be turning this around and saying that I want people to all just roll Horde characters, or I don't want people playing in Stormwind at all. I honestly don't care if people play Alliance, that's not the point here. People will play the characters they want to play. *That is, in fact, the reason I posted this.* If someone wants to play their Horde character, *then they should have just as much opportunity and right to RP that character as the Alliance player over there does.* It is therefore up to the players to work together to make that happen. Having all the Alliance sit in Stormwind isn't working together.

I wasn't trying to turn this around on you. .____.

I'm gonna keep my trap shut here and somewhat retract what i've said by not arguing my rebuke any further, as this topic seems to be brooding more scandal than prosperity.

[Vrahn]

Hehe, well, I've certainly made my fair share of mistakes when it comes to player kills, and I'll be the first to acknowledge that, but I do believe that does play a large part in the reluctance to advance too far into cross-faction RP, at any rate that is a topic for another thread. For myself, the issue with places like Booty Bay is that it's just not the sort of atmosphere I am looking for in regards to my RP interests, which is something that can be appreciated by all players as we all have our own preferences and such. But yes, a lot of my post is my opinion, but I like to think that a lot of it is also based on past experience.

In any case I think this is definately a topic that varies according to the different opinions of the CoTH player base, and it would be interesting to see players move into more remote zones for a different flavour of RP. I also think I understand why you made this thread in the first place, and it can be really frustrating when you have no one online to RP with. Although it is my personal opinion that Stormwind does supply some excellent things for those who RP within it, but those things wont appeal to everyone, just as some of the areas in the world don't appeal to me.

Speaking from a personal point of view, with my RP with the Circle of Discord I can't run my organization as well as I could without the Slaughtered Lamb, and I have yet to find another place that is so perfectly suited for it. That being said my RP regularely carries me into the zone of Duskwood, however I rarely see any Horde members in the area, though I have RPed with them before. I use Stormwind as my base because it provides everything I want in a location, and I think that is also the reason a lot of other people RP there, but as I said earlier, all my posts are my own opinion.

After all, we as humans tend to use what is given to us. But as other players have mentioned, it's good to try and get out sometimes, even though I don't necessarily agree that Alliance players moving from a centralized location is going to be the solution.

[timmyd123]

Hokie dokie!.. Erm.. I just wanted to post my thoughts and feelings on this matter guys.

I think that Grakor's message, is one that has been widely misinterpreted. Grakor isn't against Stormwind RP so much as he is against all of the players gathering in one area, and in particular, an area that leaves an entire player base (The Horde, which we all know, is lacking in RP,) kept at bay. I think Grakor would appreciate it if Alliance players could leave their RP more open to the Horde side so that Horde players can get entertainment and enjoyment without having to sit around and wait for a burst of RP so much.

The other day there was a burst of RP in Orgrimmar and I was on vent at the time. We were all pleasantly suprised and happy about it because finding Horde RP has reached a point where it's so difficult that when there is a burst, it's a thing widely 'celebrated' by people that play Hordie characters such as myself.

I know cross faction RP might not sound feasible to alot of you, however given the way the server population has tipped, I think it would be a very responsible and gracious thing to do if you could perhaps RP in a way that at least provides some sort of cross faction RP now and then, if only out of a sense and a duty of community. We're all here to RP and sadly, an entire player base is struggling because of the way the knife has fallen in terms of race.

I know my above point can be argued that it just isn't feasible, but it would be nice if people would ease up a bit on taking everything so seriously and realise that, a part of the playerbase is having trouble finding its feet and staying afloat. We're all out for RP and I don't mean to make a charity case out of the Horde or its players, but it would be really great if you could just take on board the point that Grakor has tried to make with an open mind and realise that he's doing this with intent to help out the ailing Horde faction.

As far is Stormwind is concerned, it isn't suprising that he chose to make a point of that location because it's the most populated area on the server, and one that is closed off to the Horde. I don't mean to speak for him but it's pretty clear to me that he doesn't have anything against Stormwind RP, nor does he look down upon it, merely dislikes how little room there is for any sort of Horde involvement or perhaps even Alliance characters that want to center their RP away from Stormwind. A good example of this can be seen with the Night Elves and how their RP, (within their homelands) seems to be somewhat lacking and not entirely out of choice. It seems Alliance RP is very much centered on Stormwind and its outlying areas.

I don't mean to antagonize or agrovate anyone here, but I do understand the point that Grakor has tried to make and I ask that you look at it with an open mind and give it some thought. His intentions were not to cause a drama with the people of Stormwind, nor was it to penalize them. I think Grakor's point, is one that has sadly been misinterpreted and that a few of you should perhaps just, think on the message he has tried to deliver.

Just as a quick sidenote too, let's keep it civil and not try to offend eachother and fight. We're a community and should look out for eachother, not bicker, and so I would appreciate it if people that respond to this thread could put forward their views in a calm, polite manner that won't offend others. Thanks!

Just wanted to put that out there guys!..

-Val <3

[Secrettom]

( I have to admit I have not read through much of this thread, but this is mostly a reply to the OP.)

Grak, I understand that you don't like anything to do with the Alliance or it's RP, but I think the bias you already have is bleeding over into telling people where they should and should not RP, which is something I cannot or will not agree with.

Let me say a few points, first off...Players.
Stormwind is exactly what you had said, secure, safe, away from (most) areas and generally more happy-go-lucky then most places. I feel that RP comes here for that exact reason...because to be honest? I don't always want to RP in combat zones or run the risk of the IC death if I go anywhere too far out; and please don't whine that it "kills the realism"

This and the reason that (gasp) the Alliance is a more popular faction. This cannot be changed by any means of us complaining or incentives, people do what they want to do and play the characters they want to play, which is something I think they have every right to, as long as it stays within reason


Secondly, let me talk about Stormwind itself...
I don't know what you are talking about it terms of it being "boring" I actually find it to be one of the most diverse places in the game. A large church, Academy of Mages, Secret Warlock Havens, Bustling Trade District, Run-Down Old Town (INCLUDING The Shady SI:7) and a Dwarven nook that is filled with smog from machines and steam from the metalwork. Saying Stormwind is boring is saying that any place in the game is the same...Hell, even the OUTSIDE zones are interesting. Sure, I am not a huge fan of Elwynn, but Duskwood, Lakeshire and Westfall are some of the best places in the game for newbie players, and that's not even counting the jungles to the south that eventually lead to Booty Bay.

Now, do people really RP out all the possibilities? No, they don't. At all. But, I think if we looked at this from another angle, instead of just saying the whole damn city is a waste, then we are shortchanging the players and any decent RP that could come out of it.


Edit: /BRACES FOR IMPACT

[Anski]

Quoting what i've posted.

Well, I managed to take the time to rethink everything, which I apologize for blazing ahead. I was trying to keep off the topic of everyone rolling Horde characters instead of Alliance, coupled with RPing in Stormwind and that seemed to overshadow what I truly wanted to say, was about Neutral RP. I didn't mean for this to even for a second look like it was turning around and scolding Grakor for what he posted, which infact I was trying to keep mostly the opposite of, not exactly praising what he said but kind of mulling on my part.

What I said might have been seen as a little ignorant to what you've said, which again wasn't the intended part of my diction. I'm pretty good at going off on tangents for one point and ending up on the opposite point by the end, concluding one of my many, long, overbearing and indirect posts.

The point you really seemed to nail on the head out of my post most of all was being in places my characters wouldn't usually end up. I've been called out before for having characters in whack places for intangible reasons, and things i'm scolded for are often incredibly impressionable to me and I never try to make the mistake again. As such, all of my characters have been founded on reasons for being places, and it's something grounded into my playing style. You really hit the tuning fork on D Sharp by calling me out on that, and I suppose you can be right.

Maybe i've been too stuck to being that realistic?

I'm sure you probably don't regard me with as much respect as you may or may not have had before, and I suppose I deserve it for what was taken as calling you out for asking people to roll horde and not use Stormwind, when I must've not worded what I wanted to say right and it came off as such. I truly apologize.

I dunno if making an apology was probably worthwhile and mostly out of a deep rooted fear, but your reply and Walluce's post made me feel like I was kicking sand into your face over the issue. ._____.;;

[Yukai]

This is, of course, unless you're suggesting that there are players who can only find enjoyment RPing in one particular location. I would certainly hope that such players would be a minority.

That was pretty much it, but there is a reason behind it. With retail right now I think it's Silvermoon, even as far as SWG many people flock at the Mos Eisley Canteena. Can anyone say Azshara Crater? It's not without reason though, and this really isn't the complicated, server-threatening issue people are making it out to be.

People enjoy Stormwind, or else they wouldn't Rp there, even Lakeshire is a big stretch and I've only seen it go as far as Elwynn unless there is an event. I have theories on why Stormwind is the current one, I'll admit to trying to figure it out too, but at the end of the day even if Rp there died out, everyone would move to another place with different characters, as it stands right now some characters were built with Stormwind in mind, the same'll happen to whatever the new place will be, and in about a years time we'll have 'ffs why do people go there?' comments (or to that effect).

Last thing I'll say in the thread is that gently suggesting things most likely isn't going to change it, and you wouldn't be the first to suggest things like the 'sally diagram' as I'll call it to sum it up.

[Grakor456]

That was pretty much it, but there is a reason behind it...

...but at the end of the day even if Rp there died out, everyone would move to another place with different characters...

You're contradicting yourself. Moving with the trend isn't what I was saying at all. Unless there is a *player* that can only find enjoyment RPing in one location, even when RP trends move out of that location, then I don't see the problem. Such players must be in the vast minority. However, even so, I'm not saying Stormwind RP needs to die forever, or even die right now. I'm saying people need to be more flexible.

You said before that it's not our job to create a perfect world for each other. Except for the nitpicking about using the term perfect, I couldn't disagree more. RP is, after all, a group effort. We are working together to create an interesting story. If we fail to work together to make the story, or fail to give others the opportunity to add to that story, then we as RPers have failed.

Now, that said...

I want to take a moment to apologize to everyone for how the post may have been misinterpreted. Some people saw it as an attack on Stormwind RP as a whole, which it wasn't. Some people believe I was campaigning for everyone to roll Horde, which I wasn't. That is partially my fault with how aggressively I worded my posts, but this isn't about how awful I may think Stormwind RP is, nor is it even *entirely* about getting more Horde RP. It's about people spreading their horizons and getting everyone involved, outside of those that fit in the current RP trend area (which is *usually* Stormwind, even if it changes now and then.)

[Hawk]

I haven't read most of this, so sorry if I'm repeating anything, but I'll just say this:

Telling people to move out somewhere like Stormwind isn't really the best option. First of all, you can just grab some buddies and move elsewhere. Eventually people will be curious and go there aswell. Secondly, it's up to the player where he/she roleplays. Thirdly, what's going to happen once they move out of Stormwind? They'll just go to a new area, then people will probably just go "Move out of <town/area>!!"

What I think? Let people be where they want to be. But obviously, if you're in a place your character (or even RACE) wouldn't be, don't go without a reason. I'm not gonna lie, I personally would like less people in Stormwind, but it doesn't really bother me., seeing as I don't mind RPing there.

These are just my own views. I'm probably not going to reply further to this thread, just wanted to give my two pennies.

EDIT: By the by, this post isn't aimed at Grakor. It was aimed at the people who are going "I dun like SW Arr Pee /rage"

But to be honest, there's plenty of events going around, such as Northrend, Blood Elves 'n Rommath, GSF. But a possible event could be maybe a necromancer comes into Duskwood and gets all the Undead to like... attack Duskwood and possibly advance on Stormwind?

[Welden]

Dalaran.



'nough said.

[DaveM]

Dalaran.



'nough said.

'Nuff said indeed.

Oh yea, and I hereby make random note of my -must-be-important-'coz-it's-round- 100th post.

[timmyd123]

Just posting a very quick reminder here.

Read all the posts before replying to the topic as it is one that is easily misinterpreted. As it is, we seem to be running around in circles because people aren't reading the topic in its entirety (and confessing it), and then posting in a manner that bashes the idea, often in a way that is pretty harsh.

You should try to read all the posts in a thread before you post in general as you can miss vital information and, as proven, continue to misinterpret the original posts of a topic when the matter has, for the most part, been cleared up.

Thanks!

[Hawk]

I've edited my post, just to note.

[garrett]

I've read through some of this, and felt the urge to step up and throw out an opinion.

Firstly, to the primary post on this thread. You are probably right. People stick to Stormwind to be safe. And I imagine it does hurt Horde character RP.

As a newbie to the server (still have two-three weeks before I can become a Grunt), the main thing I see is the resurrection policy. I'm not trying to bash the admins for putting this policy in place, but it cause a lot of trouble.

I can't speak for the people that stick to Stormwind, but I personally am a bit frightened to consider a ton of cross-faction RP. I mean, simply enough, I'm not secure in my knowledge of the game mechanics to be confident in my PvP abilities. At the same time, I know there is the /roll system, that allows you to RP out a battle. But that just puts a lot of the fight into blind chance.

The end result in it's best case is that I manage to walk away with my character's life. In a worst case scenario, I'm dead. Then I have to sit a week without being allowed to resurrect, upon which I have to post the events that took place on the forum, and then I have to inflict some kind of weakness on my character, based on the fight itself.

The biggest problem is the weakness part. I can deal with not coming back on the character for a week. That's not that big a deal, but I am sorely against maiming a perfectly good character, just because either I screwed up mechanically, or I got bad rolls.

Again, I can't speak for the rest of those that stick to Stormwind, but this could be the issue a lot of them are looking at. I mean, you spend a lot of time culivating a character, getting their profile just right, then you get in, and someone comes along and kills them. If you can't resurrect at all, you've put all that effort into the character for pretty much little to nothing.

If nothing else, I would remove the maiming part of character death entirely. Last I read, the week wait for a resurrection from an IC death was so you couldn't come back in and get into the same fight again? Which isn't to bad, as long as your resurrection isn't denied.

If nothing else, this could be done on a trial basis, to see if roleplay picks up at all.

Another option is to do something to encourage cross faction RP. Maybe have it running that when the GM's see some cross faction RP taking place, they could reward the players with Silver Tokens. It's not a major prize, but at the same time it's not a minor one, it's just about right for this sort of thing.

The last thing I want to speak about is the way deaths are handled. Long ago I used to play on a Wheel of Time server, setup using Neverwinter Nights. I was new to the place, and I joined up with these guards who served the White Tower. One thing led to another, and I was grinding levels in a kobold infested set of caverns. Near the back is a trap door that opens into more caverns, but it's one way.

Now, the problem I had was that I was exiting this complex, I came upon a Child of the Light slaughtering something or other. ((For those of you who don't know, White Tower affiliates are treated as witches and such, while Children of the Light are like the fanatics that wish to burn them at the stake.))

I tried to flee back into the caves to hide, and another member of the White Tower came with me. A GM controlled Child of the Light, along with the player one, tracked us inside, and captured us.

My character was put to the question at their encampment, basically I was tortured to a "confession". It got a little too intense for me, because I thought I was losing my character. Anyways, we wrapped the RP up, and I was burned alive at the stake.

Now, what did all this ramble accomplish? Well it leads me to the results of my little excursion. After I was burned alive, I was revived by the GM, teleported close to the White Tower, and given several levels worth of XP for the RP.

As a whole situation was RP'd as a random NPC guard of the White Tower had been captured and killed by the Children of the Light. OOCly, we all knew it happened to me. ICly, it was some poor no-name schmuck.

I mention this, because the system really appeals to me as a whole. When you think about it, it allows you for fully unrestricted RP, with little in the way of consequences to you character. A warrior for the Alliance could meet up and duel a Horde warrior to the death. The only trick is that the loser is considered to be another warrior, and that's how it should be roleplayed. So if the two encounter one another a second time, it's as if they never met.

In this manner, while it's a little unconventional, you can have all the full bloody feuding action of RP, without having to lose your custom characters, unless it's your choice to have it be an IC death for your character, at which you could step up and do the IC resurrection piece as normal.


That's all I've got to say, long a post as it was. I'm still waiting out my period of waiting for Gruntship, though I am planning some things. I already have 10 characters formed on my account, though only one has been ingame at this point. I took one of each race (two trolls), and then gave each a unique class, so that I've covered all playable classes. So hopefully, once I get in to get stuff approved, I'll be able to spawn roleplay all across the world.

[Vrahn]

Hey there Garrett, I just read your description of the system that was involved with your Neverwinter Nights experience and I have to say it could prove to be a quite interesting alternative option for players who died. I wouldn't mind seeing that put in for a test drive on the server.