Conquest of the Horde: Tides of Change

[Kaghuros]

There was like one ship with some guys that came back and took over an old base that had been destroyed. It's part of an ingame questline. We may do more with that though, heh. There's always some good hidden Blizzard lore that hasn't been used yet.

[Ben]

You'de have to do alot with the environment I think, cause that 'castle' is about as defendable as a garden gnome against a 9 year old boy. It'll be kicked over. But it would be very interesting to see an established human base right next to Orgrimmar. It would -really- piss Thrall off. Isn't there that real castle just along from Ratchet though? My server used to hold an open battleground there on retail, it's a nice place.

[Terant]

You'de have to do alot with the environment I think, cause that 'castle' is about as defendable as a garden gnome against a 9 year old boy. It'll be kicked over. But it would be very interesting to see an established human base right next to Orgrimmar. It would -really- piss Thrall off. Isn't there that real castle just along from Ratchet though? My server used to hold an open battleground there on retail, it's a nice place.

Bloodsworn Honorguard already took that garden gnome down anyway. But yeah, Kul Tiras can invade again with their ships and stuff. They don't need a failcastle.

[Diethe]

Let me help you with that Kag. I know a lot about Kul Tiras.

Well, Proudmoore had two lieutenants. Lieutenant Alverold is still at large exploring Kalimdor with 1/3 the size of Daelin's fleet.

[QuantumLegacy]

You'de have to do alot with the environment I think, cause that 'castle' is about as defendable as a garden gnome against a 9 year old boy. It'll be kicked over. But it would be very interesting to see an established human base right next to Orgrimmar. It would -really- piss Thrall off. Isn't there that real castle just along from Ratchet though? My server used to hold an open battleground there on retail, it's a nice place.

Namely.

But it would be very interesting to see an established human base right next to Orgrimmar. It would -really- piss Thrall off.

AND.

Please do. I want to see a massive d-day like invasion. Kul Tiras Navy vs. Frostwolves or Warsong?

If said D-Day invasion were to happen and they did manage to somehow push back all that Thrall would muster, and I'm sure it would be quite a bit as they are literally a stone's throw from Org. Why not, just push into the city and take Orgrimmar for themselves. I mean if they beat back a beach head that close, they could even maybe fire the cannons at range, and bombard Org. Then move the land forces, up and in when the city was basically rubble.

Overall though, I'm not real familiar with the power behind Kul Tiras forces, I think that they would realistically be beaten back with their tails between their legs. But... now that my train is a chugging. I'm envisioning some pretty wick D-Day fights. And if they could somehow bring the Alliance in, I'm seeing planes from ships, ship warfare, air to ground warfare.. And even air to air warfare. Oh and of course Ground to ground.

Anyway, any sort of assault near Orgrimmar would have to be on such a massive scale, that it would be insane.


BUT! I could always be ramblin' on about nothing. And I'm probably wrong. And Thrall should totally take a cannon ball to the head. <.<;

[Timetokill]

Well, I could see the Night Elves coming in for that fight. Kul Tiras from the East and South, Night Elves slipping in through the Barrens to the North and West. Durotar could be completely surrounded.

[Ben]

No chance of surrounding Durotar really, the moment they get into the Barrens, the Tauren will charge (no pun intended), and since their so close to Orgrimmar, the Orcish force would probably be split, Trolls and half the Orcs vs Kul Tiras, Tauren and the other half of the Orcs against the Night Elves, with zepelin back-ups flying in to bolster the numbers, besides, the Night Elves would weigh up their chances to an extreme beforehand and see that their odds are quite slim, especially since Orgrimmar's defenses have been bolstered severely anyway. The Kul Tiras navy are also quite weakened compared to what it was at it's full, and since they aren't fighting directly from the sea anyway (Orgrimmar has no port)... You get the point, not a brilliant plan unless you have an unending army of Scourge or demons with you.

[Hexproof]

You get the point, not a brilliant plan unless you have an unending army of Scourge or demons with you.

Which is where the Sin'sholai may come in, summoning demons with their warlockery and whatnot, and the Forsaken... being dead and such.

But realistically, I doubt that Durotar can be taken without quite literally sending ALL of the Alliance, peasants included, to take it. And even then, the casualties involved wouldn't be worth it at all.

[Diethe]

Eh, there wasn't really plan for invading, especially Org. That's suicide. Just talking about the Kul Tiras fleet probably harassing smaller outposts, like Echo Isles. But really, Kul Tiras would probably equal to the Warsong's strength.

[garrett]

Would the Orcs really care about reclaiming much of Outland? I mean, they've been on Azeroth for a good while haven't they? Pardon me but I'm not 100% on the topics of Lore.

It would be rather tactically awkward. Unless the Orcs were planning a complete move to Outland.

If the Draenei are going back, it's by reason that it's their home. Most of them would go. The Orcs seem like many would rather stay on Azeroth.

In that case, it'd be something of a war on two fronts. You'd have the Orcs vs Draenei on Outland, while you have the Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren vs. the Sin'Sholai and Alliance on Azeroth.

The factions are starting to drift apart though, which is pretty natural. The Forsaken and Blood Elves have their little club, leaving the Horde fragmented and weak.

Those upset with Varian's warmongering, as it was called, probably would have to agree that the declaration of war on the Horde is a tactically sound maneuver. The forces are split, and weaker for it. Divide and conquer, as they say.

I think that there needs to be something like a treaty of goodwill or something between the Sin'Sholai and the Alliance. To gang up on the rest of the Horde, so to speak.

The Night Elves can sit on the fence, and the Draenei are concentrating on Outland.

Of course, this is only a temporary thing, to win some battles, before the Sin'Sholai betray the Alliance. Then let it be a triple threat deal xD. The Alliance (humans, gnomes, dwarves) vs the Horde (Tauren, Orc, Troll) vs the Sin'Sholai (Forsaken, Blood Elves).

[DrinkArizona]

The Night elves would JUMP at the chance of fighting the orcs some more. And the Draenei would too, since they hate the orcs and all.

[Ben]

Eh, there wasn't really plan for invading, especially Org. That's suicide. Just talking about the Kul Tiras fleet probably harassing smaller outposts, like Echo Isles. But really, Kul Tiras would probably equal to the Warsong's strength.

Erm. Echo Isles is going to be reclaimed by the Darkspears...sorry but every troll would be like ROAR if they attacked. And thats an understatement.

As to the comment about the Sin'Sholai demon army, possible, but not likely. Even with the Sunwell back Rommath and his private club would need massive amounts of concentration to pull this off. and theres a rebellion coming up...

To the Orcs and Draenei: The orcs would LOVE to have Draenor back. It's their REAL home, unlike the Draenei, who most of which have been travelling between worlds for quite a while, and would be content on their safe haven on Azeroth. A massive Orc movement to Outland is unlikely however, with wars to be fought on Azeroth, so Outland is kinda...not that important. The Night Elves also don't like war, so I agree with the idea of them "Sitting on the fence", but if the Horde moved north into the forests, they would get pretty annoyed and retalliate.

Thats my views, feel free to comment ^^

[Hexproof]

As to the comment about the Sin'Sholai demon army, possible, but not likely. Even with the Sunwell back Rommath and his private club would need massive amounts of concentration to pull this off. and theres a rebellion coming up...

I was kidding about that... XD

To the Orcs and Draenei: The orcs would LOVE to have Draenor back. It's their REAL home, unlike the Draenei, who most of which have been travelling between worlds for quite a while, and would be content on their safe haven on Azeroth. A massive Orc movement to Outland is unlikely however, with wars to be fought on Azeroth, so Outland is kinda...not that important.

Outland, however, originally Draenor, was, in fact, the world that the Draenei settled on, and, seeing as Argus is either destroyed or corrupted/a Legion base, that it's really the only home they have left... sort of, AND their capital city is there... Yeah. A lot of reasons for Draenei to want to go back, if only temporarily.

Also, on that subject, I think a large-scale Outland event would be possible if you counted it, instead of characters on Azeroth going there, as an event involving characters already IN Outland? Lot's of interesting stuff there.

Tempest Keep would be useful as a weapon maybe?

Oshu'gun was considered a sacred place by the Orcs, and now it's full of demons...

But yeah. I'm getting a tad off topic and ranting now. I hope you see my point.