Level cap.

[omgpie]

A) I like being able to customize my characters appearance, fully, without having to wait the month (give or take a week) to get an application approved.
B) It's not hurting anyone; You can already grind to fifty, is the other thirty levels that big of a deal?
C) You can do it, or you don't have to do it. Your choice.
D) It can have penalties; Those being the inability to get the ten silver tokens and two thousand gold.
E) Gives you something to do when everyone online is busy/somewhere your characters wouldn't be.

The "people will just grind" argument is kinda pointless, seeing as you could "just grind' with the current system.

In every system there will be people who will want to grind, and people who do not. While I love your suggestions, I suppose there is still the problem that some people are inept at this.

[Vagabond]

Inept at what?

[omgpie]

Grinding, leveling...raiding...Sitting through a gryphon ride.

[Aruen]

A) I like being able to customize my characters appearance, fully, without having to wait the month (give or take a week) to get an application approved.
B) It's not hurting anyone; You can already grind to fifty, is the other thirty levels that big of a deal?
C) You can do it, or you don't have to do it. Your choice.
D) It can have penalties; Those being the inability to get the ten silver tokens and two thousand gold.
E) Gives you something to do when everyone online is busy/somewhere your characters wouldn't be.

The "people will just grind" argument is kinda pointless, seeing as you could "just grind' with the current system.

A) A month is hardly the time it takes on average to be approved, two weeks that long?
B) It will hurt character profiles, aka decrease in those rapidly I'm sure. People will just want to organise level 80 raids instead of actually RPing around for the gold, and gear.
C) As long as the 50 cap stays and it's optional to start at 50, I'm fine with that. Heh.
D) That's hardly a penalty, your a grunt.. You can send over 1000 gold after an hour grinding and still get those.
E) You can still do plenty when everything is busy and your waiting to be approved. RP perhaps?

Honestly, no disrespect but I find the argument heavily flawed. It's just my view on things right now, and I'm far from a GM but I doubt removing the level cap would do us any good. I still like the option of instant 50 though, as long as it's optional, heh. :3

[Vagabond]

Why does it matter if one is inept at grinding, raiding, leveling, or sitting through gryphon rides? I don't see how this is relevant....

[omgpie]

It makes it very tedious for them.

It makes making a new character a very annoying thing.

But that's my opinion.

[Vagabond]

A) I like being able to customize my characters appearance, fully, without having to wait the month (give or take a week) to get an application approved.
B) It's not hurting anyone; You can already grind to fifty, is the other thirty levels that big of a deal?
C) You can do it, or you don't have to do it. Your choice.
D) It can have penalties; Those being the inability to get the ten silver tokens and two thousand gold.
E) Gives you something to do when everyone online is busy/somewhere your characters wouldn't be.

The "people will just grind" argument is kinda pointless, seeing as you could "just grind' with the current system.

A) A month is hardly the time it takes on average to be approved, two weeks that long?
B) It will hurt character profiles, aka decrease in those rapidly I'm sure. People will just want to organise level 80 raids instead of actually RPing around for the gold, and gear.
C) As long as the 50 cap stays and it's optional to start at 50, I'm fine with that. Heh.
D) That's hardly a penalty, your a grunt.. You can send over 1000 gold after an hour grinding and still get those.
E) You can still do plenty when everything is busy and your waiting to be approved. RP perhaps?

Honestly, no disrespect but I find the argument heavily flawed. It's just my view on things right now, and I'm far from a GM but I doubt removing the level cap would do us any good. I still like the option of instant 50 though, as long as it's optional, heh. :3

A month, give or take, seems the be what it is. If it slows down profiles, maybe that is a good thing, will keep gms from getting bogged down with them. Level 80 raids aren't spawned, and I am pretty sure the only way to get 80 gear is to silver token for it seeing how 80 instances are not spawned and those drop the frost and triumph badges needed to get it. I've earned my grunt status, and I work for each bit of gold I have and extra for the people who need the gold for their own rp stuff. If everyone is busy, who do you expect me to rp with? Npcs?

It makes it very tedious for them.

It makes making a new character a very annoying thing.

But that's my opinion.

They don't have to do it, so again, I fail to see the relevance.

[omgpie]

They don't have to do it, so again, I fail to see the relevance.

But what if they wish to? I fail to see why it must be so annoying...I am speaking in favor of this >_>

[Vagabond]

Its not annoying, I just dont get it....I don't get why others are against it. The current system does -nothing- to keep someone from grinding. All it does it keep people from having a level 80 toon unless they have an app. The argument for it promoting deeper characters (through an app) is inaccurate as well, my characters that don't have an app are just as deep as my ones that do. Along the same lines, it doesn't prevent a character with an app being less deep then one without.

[Aruen]

Right, I'll try to perhaps clarify my answer of "being against it" more clearer..

I am personally afraid, that if we remove the level cap that people will simply do nothing else then quest to get gear and levels, and at some point just only start doing dungeons together without even bothering to write a profile. Why would anyone still write it, you can easily get the gold, tokens and gear at that point? It's a RP server, and I personally like the perks you can earn by approving your character.

[Cressy]

I didn't read the first page...

But I will tell you why there is a level cap.

First off, because of the Deathknights, once you get to level fifty-five you can create one without being a grunt, and while we want you guys to play them, we feel that it is a gift of sorts when you are able to get it through your gruntship.

Also, because sometimes, putting a little effort into a profile and thought into a character will give you a reason to actually want to play them and not just take a name and some gold and tokens for whatever you wish to use it for.

Level caps really are necessary. And with a lot of the custom items we have, you lot have a huge amount of appearance customizing you can do.

[Piroska]

From my understanding, the staff will not be changing the policy regarding the pre-approved level cap any time in the foreseeable future. We are, however, watching this thread to see what develops.

While I haven't seen any infractions just yet, I do feel like a topic like this could potentially get very heated. I'd like to remind everyone who is participating to remain cool-headed when sharing their opinions and be willing to see others' perspectives. Thank you!


Edit: And Rensin Cressy beat me again!

[Vagabond]

IDk dude. Gm's do it, they do it, I guess; Though I doubt it will happen, seeing as how they changed it from that system to the current, for good reason, I am sure. I just put this here 'cause I am a loud mouth who says (or in this case, types) whats on his mind, so here we are. /shrug

I'm done with it, anyways, Piroska. As I said up there ^ if it happens, it happens. Would make me happy, if it did. If it doesn't, I'll still be here...This -is- the best avenue for warcraft roleplay around, after all :P

[Harmonic]

I find it amazing that you feel you need to be so very disrespectful when you've broken one of our rules, and got a minimal (but very fitting) punishment for it, which is a character lock. If you -have- an approved profile, which is the intention of only letting people level to fifty, then awesome. Make a ticket, and we will.

But this is -not- the way to go about it, and to make a post talking about how you think it isn't fair just looks childish, to be blunt.

We used to cap it at forty, but with fifty you can get armor, mounts, and most of your skills. Auto-leveling people to fifty sounds great and all, but it's also a good way to make for darn certain people don't bother to make profiles. Plenty enough people are just content with leveling to fifty and never bother posting a profile.

[Maelstrom]

There's really no reason to remove the level cap. At all.
Meanwhile, the reasons to keep it tip the scale in favor of keeping the current policies that have been in place for a good bit of time and have caused really no problems.

I see no problem with it.

It only takes me 7-10 days to get a profile approved, anyway.
I never had a problem with it, why do you?

I vote for keeping it. The only thing that can come out of a change like this is trouble. There's not enough room for improvement to really consider this is what I'm trying to say.