Timeline after the Restart

[Sabastian]

I voted for before the Lich King's death. I certainly don't want us to have a player event to kill him, though. I just think we can do the lore itself justice without having the skip over it. Unless we make it almost IMMEDIATELY after he dies, we'll be missing out on a lot of good roleplay and reactions by going post-death.

I agree that you would be missing out on a lot of good roleplaying here. That's what I've been trying to say for a while.

[Dotsy]

I say we go -right- after the death of the Lich King. The way I see it is: we each are losing a sizeable amount of characters that we may not want to carry over. Why not say those characters took part in, and lost their lives during, the siege of the citadel? It allows some player involvement (to an extent, at least).

Technically, this counts as post-death.

[Terant]

I say we go -right- after the death of the Lich King. The way I see it is: we each are losing a sizeable amount of characters that we may not want to carry over. Why not say those characters took part in, and lost their lives during, the siege of the citadel? It allows some player involvement (to an extent, at least).

Technically, this counts as post-death.

That could be an explanation for a lot of people. Obviously not ALL of the characters, but it works.

And I'd be fine with starting -right- after the death of the Lich King, like you said. I just don't want people to already be over it and act like the Lich King is old news. It should be shocking that he's gone, at the very least.

[Hawk]

And I'd be fine with starting -right- after the death of the Lich King, like you said. I just don't want people to already be over it and act like the Lich King is old news. It should be shocking that he's gone, at the very least.

This!

The Lich King being gone should be the best thing since sliced bread.

Well, it would be if the world wasn't being torn to smithereens straight after. But you get the point.

[rekkless]

Honestly, I am fine with both options. But, if we go with the whole after the Lich King's death, I think we should have some other type of custom world changing event.

[Brutalskars]

Well the Bloodsworn Honorguard ICly if you are a previous member(See my post in the Restart Changes area) we were all over Northrend fighting. So we would of fought into Icecrown alongside Horde forces. But we did not go into said citadel.

But my vote is post death due to the fact this means that part of the story is gone. And we can INCLUDE northrend battles in Character history. Since you could of been fighting in the North, just not like, in the dungeons or the siege. Etc. Etc.

[Benislav]

I think we should begin -immediately- after the death of Arthas. People insist that by doing so we're missing out on RP, but I disagree completely. Although I haven't a doubt that there won't be a player event for his death, if there were to be one, the events after it would be a nightmare. Granted, there are groups on both the Alliance -and- Horde that would be eligible to take down the Lich King, but if it's a player event, everyone and there brother is going to want at least one character to be a part of it, since it's very important in history.

Having him dead puts him out of the way and opens far more doors than it closes. Starting off with the excitement from his death provides a slick jumpstart to get our characters rolling for Cataclysm. The death will feel distant -- because it -is- distant.

Either way, I'm voting for the parties in Dalaran!

[Mayson]

I'm okay with both, starting before and after the death of the Lich King.

However, I would like to know, what you plan to "do" with the rest of the scourge? Will their spawns be deleted or will they remain?

And another question: Are we going to introduce every change of the world from Cataclysm on this server? If so, my first question doesn't need an answer.

[Mikain]

I'd say the regular scourge spawns are just kinda wandering around, just being there waiting for the Argent Crusade to come through and clean them up. Things like nerubians would probably go off on their own.

[Kirabo]

I'll go with choice #2... If Arthas were still alive when Cataclysm stroke how long do you think would need heroes to take him down? And even so, If we go after his death,some chars can be said to have fought in the Citadel...

[Maxwell]

I think the announcement of his death should be there but the timeline be post-death. It's been mentioned and I think the reactions of our characters is something I would like to have happen, sort of an "OSHI- omgreally!?" moment and all the returning armies or whatnot that happens after that.
Plus, we can still have our wicked after-parties.

[Reese]

Ante death! We don't need to have an event to do his death justice (considering so many are so adamant that we couldn't pull something like that off.)

And yet? Lich King's great rp material to base why you did something, what influences your decision, etc. etc.

[Aphetoros]

Ante death! We don't need to have an event to do his death justice (considering so many are so adamant that we couldn't pull something like that off.)

And yet? Lich King's great rp material to base why you did something, what influences your decision, etc. etc.

I would feel that if we changed the lich king's death story without actually doing it...for example a legion of brave men and women entered to fight the Lich King with Tirion Fordring, and like an animal the LK toyed with them and by the end there were few of them left to engage the Lich King and they were exhausted from the fighting. He held back during their fight, and gave them just a glimmer of hope. He then shattered this hope destroying them all. Tirion knew they could do no more, but he prayed for a miracle from the Light, the miracle was granted and thats how the LK died, hundreds of thousands of warrior spirits from the Light came forth and destroyed the LK. Now here's where it gets tricky, a miracle is an actual thing in wow lore, but it kills the one who prayed for it. The LK's plan was to raise the best warriors of the Light to command the Scourage but he failed, so either Tirion had to pray for a miracle, or some nameless soldier did. However, no one aside from those who fought the LK who in my opinion except for Tirion (since we can't really kill a major lore figure) should stay dead, in my opinion. And Tirion would obey Bolvar's last wish, making up a believable story including Bolvar's death. (Bolvar's last wish was to have people forget about him and what happened and believe the Lich King is dead and him are dead.)

I do think, however, its possible that Arthas isn't dead and his insane/Ner'zhulified/Lich King soul/mind is in the Scourgelord Helmet and has now also merged with Bolvar's.

Based on the following, I don't think we're done with the Lich King.


"Without its master's command, the restless Scourge will become an even greater threat to this world. Control must be maintained....there must always be a Lich King." --King Terenas Menethil II

[Gyran]

I'd say we are done with the Lich King for a very long time. Bolvar is the new Lich King, or Jailor of the Damned as he calls himself, but he sealed himself away in that icy prison and told Tirion to say that the Lich King is no more. Therefore no one but Tirion even knows that there is a Lich King.

I also believe(this is complete opinion) that Bolvar's righteous act in sacrificing himself to become the Lich King was somehow able to overpower the Helm of Domination and leave him in complete control. Why do I think this? If you noticed in the video, when Bolvar places the crown on his head, the entire things changes. It becomes all orange and epic instead of that lame blue.

[Aphetoros]

I believe that Bolvar can only hold off the corruptive influence thingy of the Helm of Domination for so long, even if he could stay in complete control for awhile, it would drain on his will and he'd lose control and become what Arthas had become, that merged person. I believe the reason for the orange epic flames is because of the dragon's flame that burns within Bolvar's body.