The Tier System: (A prestige system idea, work in progress)

[Brutalskars]

I may actually decide to finish the edits to this. The more simple, the less people may TL;DR it again.

[Aphetoros]

Good, I really really really really like this system, please work with the GMs on it first...

[Brutalskars]

I wanted to. But then after I "took a wee bit too long", they never asked how it was coming along. So I plan on working on it on my own, if no one plans on working on it with me. Sorry Aphetoros. But if they show intrest in improvement then they can work with me. I am in no rush to help after all.

[Terant]

I approve! Keep working on it!

I don't speak for the GMs, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the vibe that they don't want a prestige system at all.

[Aphetoros]

Grakor doesn't want a prestige system. You can not want it all you want, but it's needed. It really really is. That or just let people do what they want, and we all know how that turns out.

[Brutalskars]

Well. I wonder, about the variants idea I am talking about for tier ones. I clarify you can play Old Gods priests, bu should i go back and add it the old gods templar? You know paladin class but use the fake light to hide. Since you can play those on CotH.

And what about classes like geomancer and elementalist. Classes we normally are never allowed? And dipping into specialized mages, what about acid? Lightning? So many questions to address.

Now. I am gonna ask should I deal with those things? I just want to get something done you know.

[Reese]

Now that we've had prestiges, they really can't be done without.

The trick is finding something that isn't too easy and isn't too hard. This is why it takes so long.

But all things considered, this is a dem fine system. Good luck!

[Kretol]

I will restate my interest in this but won't be able to do anything further until, at the very earliest, a bit over a week from now.

(Posted via my phone)

[Brutalskars]

Well. Following a massed group of advice. I have sent the simplified reason of the system to Kretol. That is pretty much all I can really say for now.

[Xigo]

My one and only problem with this is the fact that this relies on everyone being able to be trustworthy with such a system.

I trust most of CotH. But I am certain -someone- will abuse the whole thing.

Also, perhaps these classes shouldn't be so powerful. One Fel-Sworn taking on six players seems a bit crazy.

Those are my only complaints. I'm sure others have voiced them throughout this thread. I just... feel the need to voice them as well.

[Reese]

One Fel-Sworn taking on six players seems a bit crazy.

I don't necessarily agree. For one, I just saw, what, 5 or so forsaken take down a Demon Hunter, but for another, these things ARE powerful.

Even a legit Doomguard is supposed to be able to take on a whole army. I think they're being toned down for fairness's sake alone.

[Zarquon]

A cruel Ad Hominem attack!

And do go on, Brutal. I think it's a great system and though it has it's flaws, it is my personal belief that since the prestige system had already been opened and there had already been prestige classes, it would only breed dissent and discontentment by leaving the isse unresolved and rotting. But with that being said; do incorporate a closer GM-player communication into this to prevent anymore misunderstandings and whatnots.

[BountyHunter]

I believe that the only thing which should tell you how strong something is is that Tier 2 is stronger than Tier 1 most of the time, Tier 3 is stronger than Tier 2 and Tier 1 most of the time and so on so forth. That's pretty much all.

[Brutalskars]

What I pretty much switched it to is that most of the time, a tier 2 < tier 1. Tier 3 < Tier 2. Tier 4 < Tier 3. Tier 5 < Tier 4.
By most of the time I mean in this chain, tier ones could get a small group together as you saw with the forsaken against the DH, DH is a tier 3 in my system, five people taking a DH down, is slightly on par with how Tier 3 against Tier ones comes out to 5-6, maybe 7 was my thoughts.
So higher tier characters are generally stronger than lower tiered characters, but as we all should now, it is not the amount of the dog in the fight it is the amount of fight in the dog. So, lowered tier characters if they have a plan or just in some cases, mad mob tactics, because sadly those a realistic option, can defeat higher tiered characters.

[Loxmardin]

So higher tier characters are generally stronger than lower tiered characters, but as we all should now, it is not the amount of the dog in the fight it is the amount of fight in the dog. So, lowered tier characters if they have a plan or just in some cases, mad mob tactics, because sadly those a realistic option, can defeat higher tiered characters.

And even then, people need to keep in mind that certain classes are more adept at fighting under certain conditions and in certain arenas. Just because you are playing a Tier 3 character doesn't mean you should automatically tip the scales in your favour in any given situation against Tier 1 or 2.

Know your class, as well. It's important to remember that your number does not define you in all situations.