Possibilities and Variants

[LostStranger]

Bear in mind as well that the site wowpedia.org is not an indisputable source.

You're likely aware of this, I mean, I'd just like to reinforce that nothing is necessarily true just because it's written there.

...I also highly doubt that Warden Thelwater has Blink and do believe he is distinctly without an enchanted cape bestowing him a mystical Fan of Knives.

In an unrelated concluding note, I personally prefer Wowpedia.

[Psychyn]

True, true. Maybe we should just select one 'main' RP site we take our information from, and ignore the rest no matter how much they disagree with another. At least then we got one set of guidelines to read and work with, instead of ten different sites (+ books) all stating a different thing.

Maybe that's an idea?

[LostStranger]

Ultimately, the best way to learn the slope of the land is go walk through it.

[Delta]

I appreciate completely what you're doing, of course, and you are correct about the contrast between the fancy title and the actual meaning.

To me, there is a difference between a night elven 'warden' and the wardens belonging to other races. For instance, the quest given by Alturas reveals that he is a Warden of the Violet Hold* - Dalaran's prison complex.
Edit: *Maybe the fact that he is in the Hold and is titled so, is what reveals him to a prison warden. The quest just solidifies it.

Actually, most of the titled Wardens, just glancing down the short list you excerpted, oversee prisoners in some way. Belamoore is another Violet Hold Warden, Bloodfrenzy keeps POW Alliance soldiers, although Hamoot appears to be the exception.

What makes it special from what I've read, is the prestige held in the race's society, and the skills practised by the wardens themselves.

[LostStranger]

I appreciate completely what you're doing, of course, and you are correct about the contrast between the fancy title and the actual meaning.

Compare: Now-resolved Assassin and Gladiator controversies.

Of course, unlike they, a Warden as a salient class all unto its own is as strongly supported in lore as Demon Hunters are.

...Mana Burn is a priest spell.

[Delta]

You beat me to the punch again, Lost...

[Psychyn]

Maybe we should start renaming titles and 'prestiges' to something that isn't already used to avoid confusion.. Eh. I don't know, in all honesty I just want this entire subject to end, be written down and be used despite me most likely not going to use much of it. Such a silly endless topic.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Runewarden_Deryan

Has little to do with prisoners.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Warden_Bullrok

Is more of a bountyhunter with his "Wanted:" quests.

I suppose it's the same thing with "Hunter" for humans and Night Elves. Hunter for humans means nothing more then hunting animals, skinning them and selling them for an income. Hunter for Night Elves turns into an close thing with nature, perfectionists with the bow who tame animals and lay traps.

I blame Night Elves for being so confusing. *Snicker* (Joke)

Edit ; Unsure about him as well. http://www.wowpedia.org/Adyen_the_Lightwarden

Edit 2 ; There's also this randomness -> http://www.wowpedia.org/Gnoll_warden

[Xigo]

There is a strong difference between a man who hunts demons, and is therefore referred to as a demon hunter. And the Night Elf Demon Hunter cult.

The same can be said for many things. Wardens. Gladiators. Assassins. There's a difference between being a 'warden' and being a 'Warden'.

We'll handle it on a case-by-case basis. That said, if someone says their human is a warden for a living, don't flip out unless he starts blinking and using fan of knives and said he was trained by elves. The same for demon hunters, and other assorted things.

[Rigley]

There's a difference between being a 'warden' and being a 'Warden'.

We'll handle it on a case-by-case basis. That said, if someone says their human is a warden for a living, don't flip out unless he starts blinking and using fan of knives and said he was trained by elves.

Spoiler:

"I am the hand of justice, Illidan. Long ago, I swore an oath to keep you chained... and by all the Gods – I shall!”

"You must defeat the Gnoll King, lest he mounts another attack and slaughters us all in cold, bloodthirsty rage."

The difference is subtle.

[Psychyn]

Eh, fair enough. Consider my last post removed, don't really know what I was thinking to get seriously involved in this stuff. Never have, and now with the latest post(s) I'm just backing off.

Good luck sorting it out really.

Edit ; Nothing aimed at anyone, I just can't be bothered and even GM's tell me not to bother. So yarr. "Save your energy" which I shall do.

[Grakor456]

I am closing the poll, and this thread. It's getting rather long.

Kretol, myself, and several GMs had the time to discuss the results of the poll and how we're able to move ahead with this. After a bit, Kretol made an executive decision, so we will be going to go ahead with no system and just be more free-form from the get-go. The votes are too close to really go with the majority blindly in this case, and had the votes been in a more clear victory with the variant system (for example, 70-30) then we would have clearly gone with that. However, the playerbase seems roughly split 50-50 (the votes stayed rather consistently within 10% of each other.)

Ultimately, this thread itself kind of demonstrated the problems with incorporating the variant system, which would impose restrictions and require applications from characters that are currently already in use. As no one can agree with where the line should be drawn, it's better to just go with nothing than create something that will wreck existing characters.

If you wish to discuss the decision, or ask questions about what this will mean for your character, please begin a new thread. Thank you.