Quest Giver Positions

[Evaszion]

I love love love this idea, Grakor! I would totally apply (probably not get in, I'm too much of a nubie still) but I would still apply. It'd help so much with running events because it seems the GM count is very slowly going down due to real life or other things. Plus, this idea would help saying there isn't always a GM at your fingertips whenever you want something even tiny like the City Guard to answer your question. Or the innkeeper to welcome you inn(cwutididthar?)! Now, this is a Content GM, but like i said before, the amount of players usually surpass the amount of Content GMs online.

[CappnRob]

Just give the power to reliable RPers (probably ones the staff knows won't abuse the power for NPC puppeting), and ones who frequently require the use of such power.

[Binkleheimer]

I dunno. Normally I'd be "That's cool".

But I'm wary of this. Something about it seems like it'd be a bad idea all around.

[Reigen]

I am both for and against the idea. I am for it because the server really does need more events to get people up and off of GMI and out into RPing. Random encounters to spice up the RP would be nice as well and all around give the server a bit more ambiance. I would love for the NPC next to your table to start questioning why you are talking about how many people you've killed, or that person you plan to kill. It might make people more aware that said NPCs are more than just decoration.

I am against this because of the abuse it can allow. I fear if it falls into the wrong hands that people will start to police others about how they RP. Snide comments about how some dress, snide comments about X's relationship with Z. NPC guard never 7 kicking player B out of the city because they are a death knight or even because they kissed X race which is not theirs.

I also fear that the power will just be used amongst friends rather than benefiting the server as a whole. "Hey, look what I can do, I can spawn us an army to destroy than brag about because I'm in a position of power to do so."

The more odd-jobs that the players can do, the more 'obsolete' the GMs become. Next there will be a rank in taking tokens and leveling approved characters. Then we'll have a 'builder' rank to spruce up areas. Soon GMs will just become mystical figures in the sky who only pop out when someone needs to be punished, which gives them a bad image in the eyes of new players. Though, that's me taking it to the extreme, but still a fear on my part.

It is something I can only hope is given out to very trustworthy people and monitored very heavily after the fact.

[c0rzilla]

Makes me think of the Storyteller position on Prologue. And, while I'm no veteran, I've been on Prologue for a enough months to be terribly frightened by that idea.

[Rigley]

I have to say that some of the concerns expressed on here seem pretty valid to me. I was all for this, but I can see how easily this could turn really bad for all involved.

While monitoring would be strict, there's still the point that these guys would essentially be for RP when GMs aren't there to supply it.

Or when their offline.

Not watching what the quest givers are doing.

And as we've seen in the past people don't really seem that inclined to report issues with people of rank to the GMs. I'm not so certain here.

[Binkleheimer]

Makes me think of the Storyteller position on Prologue. And, while I'm no veteran, I've been on Prologue for a enough months to be terribly frightened by that idea.

Pretty much this too.
Puppeting a NPC like that would allow for many more problems to arise.
Think the drama can get bad now? Wait till this is implemented.

Honestly, I'd say to just let the content GMs do it.
Don't feel there is enough? Go get more.

[Evaszion]

I could just edit my post, but making a new one wouldn't hurt as much either.

So, an idea came to me. What if, once these "Quest Givers" got approved from their application, could it be possible that they go on a type of trial where if a GM has time, they can monitor them for a few hours invisibly or something to see how they handle the power.

I know how this can most likely just be seen as a "Trial GM" -> "Content/Enforcer GM" type thing... but hey! What're you're recruiting is, basically, a Content GM who doesn't do profiles/tokens/intro's/questionnaires/other stuffs.

[c0rzilla]

Makes me think of the Storyteller position on Prologue. And, while I'm no veteran, I've been on Prologue for a enough months to be terribly frightened by that idea.

Pretty much this too.
Puppeting a NPC like that would allow for many more problems to arise.
Think the drama can get bad now? Wait till this is implemented.

Honestly, I'd say to just let the content GMs do it.
Don't feel there is enough? Go get more.

Case in point: Unstoppable army of Scourge because the Storyteller (Quest Giver) prefers that faction. Granted, this is an extreme case that probably wouldn't fly in such a small community like CotH.

As well, people may rely TOO MUCH on these people, unable to RP or legitimize their own events without one. Don't remember if that's been thought of in another post.

[Cressy]

I get all the points that people are bringing up about potential abuse and what not, but at the same time, when trying to do a storyline or events, it gets a bit difficult to try and have players just 'imagine' where everything is. If there were either more involved Content GMs or GMs more willing to help out with the player events/storylines, I wouldn't see a need for this position. But it is difficult to ask them for help when you have been turned down multiple times or ignored by GMs. Sometimes they refuse to do it and end up sitting on GMI just shooting the shit. Part of the job description is to help with storylines and what not..But, that is a different b***h fest.

Just a note: I know that I totally abuse Kril, Rigley, and Loxy for help with events. And I totally appreciate that you guys are almost always willing to help out.

Tldr; If GMs were more willing to help out, this position would more than likely not be needed. But since some aren't as much as others, it sort of holds the potential back? Ya know?

[CappnRob]

You all know if the position gets abused they can just take the abusers power, ya?

And really, who is going to spawn a huge army of X/Y/Z and deus ex machina a RP? Yeah, the potential of absue is there, but anyone who'd abuse such a power isn't exactly a good RPer in the first place.

[Kirabo]

It's the GM team's fault.

No, I'm joking.

Cressy is correct. You could just add one more 'duty' or even construct a specific section of GMs that 'specialize' in DMing events, or enhancing roleplay with their puppeteering and what other tricks may be present under the cover of their sleeves.

EDIT: A single word was changed.

[Xigo]

Sorry we're not around 24/7.

Sorry we're not constantly running events.

Hot damn, I could go on here for a while.

If someone were trusted enough to puppet NPCs, he'd be a GM.

And I honestly can not point out a single individual who I would say 'yes, this person is trusted enough to puppet NPCs, but not trusted enough to be a GM'. Someone with the power to puppet has access to a lot of things. And it will get abused.

I'm sorry we're not slaves to your every whim. I'm sorry when you get offended. I'm sorry I made this post.

[ThePharaoh]

I think the reason why the idea is given to grunts. Would be because the Gm's still have other responsibilities. With this position there only point would be to run and flesh out a storyline. Puppeting Lore figures would probably never happen and shouldn't. Puppeting armies and what not shouldn't happen either. They should puppet only annonymous people, guards that end up dying by antagonists? Random victims or the antagonists themselves. Easy to abuse but -very- easy not too. From sailors on a boat, to npc travelers given to the right group of people this could be an amazing Idea.

[Cressy]

Xigo, your passive aggressive post is unnecessary; it almost reminds me of one Secrettom did...Hmm.

Here, I will elaborate my point.

Sometimes GMs have the ability to help out, but don't. Or, They have said they would help out and don't show up. Heck, I have seen some unwilling to help because none of their characters are involved.

If some GMs were willing to, I don't know, do their job, because GMs are supposed to be doing the quest givers jobs anyways..And, hearing the whole excuse, 'wehaefgmstuffs2do' isn't that true. Forum helpers do profiles, introductions and questionairres... But I won't go there today.

All I am saying, this position wouldn't be as needed if some GMs were more willing to help out sometimes.