Quest Giver Positions

[CasualMatt]

I'd be up for this, although if I'm being honest: Isn't this kind of redundant seeing how virtually the entire server population has TRP2 already? I get that a puppet NPC with TRP2 is not as exciting to see as a puppet NPC with GM power but having been a puppeteer using TRP2 for a lot of NPCs already in the Draenei Pilgrimage story arc, I'm not sure this is entirely necessary.

The spawning thing on the other hand I can get behind. Having done a couple mini events with GM support I can certainly see the benefits to this, it would certainly enable a lot more fluid event management and would take the pressure off GMs who I'm sure want to do other things at times.

I guess my question to the staff here is exactly what would you be looking for in a NPC puppeteer?

[Rosencrat]

If GMs were more willing to help out, this position would more than likely not be needed. But since some aren't as much as others, it sort of holds the potential back? Ya know?

I think the reason that this irks me is my own personal experience with this. At work. At home. At rest. During my waking hours I am (As well as other GMs I know) usually idling on CotH. Yes, I am not always -looking- at the screen, but I make it a point to check on the forum and the game on a regular basis. I always check my PM box and I always keep some form of messenger software online (Even on my phone!) so that people can reach me.

In summation: I am always accessible and have taken great pains to ensure people realize how accessible I am. I, like others, are not only willing but positively -aching- to help.

I have seen plenty of events scheduled and organized without GM involvement. Many of the people I see commenting in this thread have held many events without GM supervision. Nobody asks me for help.

Content GMs are often busy, yes. I understand this point and agree. But just because a Content GM isn't around and kicking doesn't mean you can't reach out to another GM.

I say no to the idea. If you have an event, make the effort and reach out to a GM. Not just to GMs you're friendly with. Not just to GMs you know who will be gentle with your event's outline. Reach out to -any- GM. We are accessible, we are dedicated and I, personally, will stretch my schedule to within reason so as to help with an event.

And to the idea of using GMs to puppet NPCs in casual RP? It's always been my impression that such things have been frowned upon by the Administration. It was only the activities of one GM (Xigo) and the positive feedback of his actions that have really opened up the GMs to the idea of NPC puppeting.

[Xigo]

Passive aggressive? No, I'm being aggressive, you passive aggressive i*@*#&$(*#@. Comparing me to someone who's banned is... well I won't go there today. (HURR DURR)

I'll edit this post later or something.

[Aphetoros]

Sounds fun, I'd apply! :3

[Cressy]

Passive aggressive? No, I'm being aggressive, you passive aggressive i*@*#&$(*#@. Comparing me to someone who's banned is... well I won't go there today. (HURR DURR)

I'll edit this post later or something.

Sorry you see things differently.
Sorry you find what I said offensive.
Sorry you feel that I am a passive aggressive, well let's assume that word.
Sorry you read further into my post than you should have.

But you did. Oh well.

[Rosencrat]

I'll ask that we get back on task, please, and let tempers stay where tempers should remain: In private.

[Uthaniel]

Oh look! People arguing!

I honestly never reach out towards GM for help with events. It's mostly because I either forget or a GM is already conveniently involved and thus I just abuse him (mainly Xigo) for help.

But yeah, I see Rosencrat's point. If we were actually -using- the GMs and still needed -more- people to run events, this position would make sense.

However increasing the availability of something that's not being used correctly as-is makes no sense.

[ThePharaoh]

You make a good point Rosencrat about reaching out to every GM. But I don't think people will do that. They Might, I wont though. GM's aren't -needed- for events unless you need something phased. Thats why if I run an event with a substantial supporter char I just dual box. But It would be and is helpful when GM's help out. But GM's only help me out when they're already involved. Not like I couldn't ask one of you guys that I feel comfortable around to help.

Also Rosencrat is a pretty active GM who obviously leads storylines and invites a lot of RP. I remember a time where there were a couple of GM's who had custom storylines and you got to pick one. I'd like that idea to return, but not everybody is up for that. Some GM's like to focus on different aspects. I think that what discourages GM's and Anybody to make a storyline is participation. The best idea needs people to come into fruition. And only certain people can pull immediate interest whatever they do. Crat being one of them. Anski being another.

Plus I'm sure all storylines would have to get approved before they proceeded so it isn't like off the wall stuff would happen. I think it should be given a shot, or GM's should try to be more active at random event giving.

[Uthaniel]

The GMs can't always know when to make a random event unless someone tells them they want a random event made. If a GM went going on about how they're making a random event in Gurubashi arena while you're RPing in Northrend, odds are you won't attend. If the players actually whispered a GM regarding the aforementioned and actually planned with them a random event (after all, asking them to do all the work would be a bit unfair, don'tcha think?) and then put it in motion, I believe things would go more smoothly and closer to what you perceive (or what I -assume- you perceive) to be the ideal.

[CasualMatt]

I'm going to jump into the hot topic here and ask the question:

Is GM support essential to your event? Because I'm not sure a lot of the time it is. As I said TRP2 has this kind of functionality to a degree already so for "casual RP" like buying a drink from a bartender I don't think there is much to be gained in this regard. After discussing this with another GM briefly it made me realise that you'd have to add in phasing as well for this to work in regards to "hosting fancy events".

Again I'm not really sure what to say on this until some specifics are laid down on what it is that NPC puppeteers would have access to and what their expected responsibilities would be. I think with a little more precision I can make a much better argument for and against this.

I can certainly see it being a fun job and it's something I'd like to do, don't get me wrong. But I would say that from a logistical standpoint, it seems a lot of effort for something that essentially the community has access to for what they want it for already.

I honestly never reach out towards GM for help with events. It's mostly because I either forget or a GM is already conveniently involved and thus I just abuse him (mainly Xigo) for help.

Pretty much this, then again I would come to the defence of the GM team here and say my stuff in the Draenei Pilgrimage that nobody heard about because I keep my RP esoteric on purpose has had incredible support from Nexi and Xigo.

[Psychyn]

CasualMatt, not everyone uses TRP. I myself do not use it simply for the fact that it's too massive, has too much options and I find it too confusing. Assuming that (nearly) the entire playerbase uses TRP2 just because you do isn't quite a fair assumption. I know quite a bucket load of people who don't use TRP2 for either the same or different reasons.

Regardless, the abuse possibility is there but perhaps ground rules could be placed down. It was also mentioned the powers can be easily taken away again, or possibly monitored. I don't think we are supposed to puppeteer guards around for example, and perhaps allow only the movement/emoting through NPC's and not the spawning? And so on. I don't know how far server commands go and/or can be edited, but perhaps that's something to look into?

While the possibility may be high, it might never happen because I think the person who would dare to abuse the system, knows quite well that he'd only ruin it for him/herself once the staff finds out.

But with that said, the suggestion for "Content GM's" being split up and turned into "Puppeteering GM's / Content GM's" could do. The first sparking up the random immersion in the world, the second planning big events and the likes. Events that last for a longer span then just a few hours. And the first could support the second, by working with the 'big' event and host random smaller NPC interactions in theme of said event, whatever it may be.

.. I do hope I didn't made that into a confusing mess, if I did then just say so and I'll try to word it more clearly.

[CasualMatt]

I've actually yet to see someone who doesn't have it. Though I will apologize for making that unfair assumption, however I don't think not having TRP2 invalidates my argument either.

You can still use /e || to indicate a non targeted emote. For the actual purpose of RPing an NPC such as a bartender I do not think an entire sub division of people is necessary for that purpose alone with an example like below:

"Player X goes to the bartender and asks for a drink, "That will cost you three silver" she says, he places a few silver coins down and walks away."

Now I ask you would having a fully written dialogue between player X and that bartender NPC really add anything to that narrative? I don't really think it does. It's a neat gimmick but it's not exactly going to turn your average day to day RP into the Odyssey of Homer or something.

I cannot argue with "for more events" because that's presumably what this system is aimed to do.

[Psychyn]

Oh no, I didn't had anything against your argument regarding the /e thing. I've always used that myself, but I admit that the actual chatter and movement of an NPC makes me happy like a small kid that gets a sweet. I don't know, it just.. tastes sweet? Immersion and all. ^^

We can just as easily keep using /e for NPC's and such.

Maybe I should just look into TRP2 again, I've admittedly seen less and less MRP/FlagRSP tags but then again, I haven't been on that much.

[MrBubbles]

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No one ever comes to me for anything.

[Uthaniel]

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No one ever comes to me for anything.

And no one ever will. Because...

...You're the hero CotH deserves... But not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt you, because you can take it. Because you're not our hero...

...You're a silent guardian, a watchful protector... A family man.