Reinforced Cloth Armor Petition

[Ural]

If you manage to get through my hired bodyguard, Voidwalker, shadowbolts, fears, DoTs and drains..

I feel quite safe in my enchanted shadoweave cloth, practical armor kits, magical Demon Armor and diabolical hooked sword.

Spell-casters, are like onions.

[Krilari]

Spell-casters, are like onions.

They smell bad and make you cry.

[Rigley]

I have to say, I always thought one of the larger factors was not 'plate making casting hard', but 'plate being HEAVY' and the like, to which a mage or normal caster -probably- should not be able to just tote around completely fine. I do echo the team in saying some reinforcements are fine, of course.

On an off note though, don't these classes sorta have a workaround for such things? I think every caster class has some form of -shield- spell which could completely negate the whole weak armor bit rather easily, if I'm not mistaken.

[Xigo]

Mages get their arcane shield.

Priests get their holy bubbles.

Warlocks get fel armor.

>.>

[SachikoMaeda]

Lighter sheets of metal wouldn't be that heavy. After all, we don't have to be a championship weight lifter to put a cooking sheet in the oven, do we?

It's not like we're shooting for full plate.

[Rigley]

Only matter to me is how light that plate is before it starts to become just ineffective in general, yah? (though even still, I have to say that mage shields do kinda compensate for the whole lack of armor by virtue of it being something of a balancing effect to the class).

I do think that plate is somewhat stretching it for my tastes, though I agree with leather and chain being acceptable in doses.

[Kage]

So.. Cookie sheets as armor..? How foolish. I'd say stick with the spell armor, it's what it's meant for. Still want light chain or leather? I'm down with that, but cookie sheets wont protect much.

[SachikoMaeda]

Not literally cookie sheet armor. More of just a statement to back up that not all metal is heavy. If you ask me, plate should only be given to battle casters in great limitation. I'm not saying deck them out in full plate, mail, or leather. Reinforcement in vital areas can not only look good, but can save your hide in the long run.

Not all casters know defensive spells.

[Kage]

Not literally cookie sheet armor. More of just a statement to back up that not all metal is heavy.

There are enchantments that make armor lighter, this is a tread carefully zone. One could have a plate chest and say it's enchanted to be lighter in this case.

plate should only be given to battle casters in great limitation.

I'd agree. Battle mages are indeed close range fighters, so wearing a dress wont really help too much with such a 'in your face with fire' class.

[Ural]

I'd sign this if I can be this guy.

Spoiler:

[Ozewse]

If I recall correctly, the current policy on armor is you can only wear that your class can wear and nothing more [excluding jewelry]. Even if some robes and items look to have metal on them, you still can't claim it's anything other than cloth.

Anything -stronger- than cloth. It doesn't have to be cloth, it just can't provide more protection than cloth would, and that's an important point to make.

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Saying that a mage can't wear metal at all is silly, that would mean we can't have zippers.

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plate should only be given to battle casters in great limitation.

Also this.

[CappnRob]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Category:Armor_kits

http://www.wowpedia.org/Armor_Kit

[Dae]

I imagine that for a lot of people playing casters, this isn't a matter of "I want to get any advantage for my character possible," but of "How can I justify my character walking onto the battlefield in fancy pajamas?"

I mean, we all know of the "spell failure, being slow, etc." arguments for a caster not wearing plate, but if you were in the shoes of a light-wielding battle medic, trying to keep your people alive, being so vulnerable would make you feel like a burden, even if you were healing everyone to high heavens. This (and similar feelings in other situations) is something I expect would be very much an issue that some WoW casters would need to overcome as people. But this issue is never addressed by any characters in warcraft lore to my knowledge, and we have plenty of evidence, between character models and the in-game armor kits to suggest that this really doesn't have to be a problem.

Some leather and chainmail additions here and there would alleviate their worries. More importantly, if it were treated ICly as having no effect in-combat bonuses, it would simply be there to give said character some peace of mind, show solidarity among a military crowd, make them seem simply pragmatic and/or demonstrate their questioning their own magical prowess.

It serves as a point for character development, and when properly implemented, shouldn't have any effect ICly in battle. The only problem I can see here is people abusing this as an opportunity to give their mage/priest/lock characters more armor than they should, but if a caster with a chain shirt is claiming that it, say, stopped a solid chop from a blade, then they're actively using the armor like a chain/plate wearer would, and that is multiclassing. And in that situation, that individual should be corrected for this error, rather than assume that everyone would abuse it.

Should this be implemented, the definitions of multiclassing should be very clearly outlined to include outfits functioning as an armor class beyond what the wearer can actually use. Specifically, when a cloth-wearer recieves a physical blow, the damage dealt to them should be decided as though they were wearing no more than, say, a heavy quilted doublet, or whatever benchamark the mods feel is appropriate. (barring the effects of magical shields)

[Rigley]

...I'm a bit confused. I believe so far at least one or two GMs have stated that minor additions are fine, and I know Sol has provided a useful link (http://l-clausewitz.livejournal.com/150507.html) detailing exactly what kind of cloth would be more realistically expected in a setting like WoW.

To call it fancy pajamas is a bit... wrong. Let's take that argument and compare pajama pants to even just a pair of jeans-- one -will- protect you more should you fall against a rough surface, and there is cloth which is flame retardant and insulated to prevent stuff like minor punctures. I don't think the kind of cloth -armor- worn in WoW is anything small, especially considering the kind of reinforcement it can get via enchantments. As I have said earlier in this post though the GM team has come to the agreement that -small- additions of leather and chain could be passable, so long as the bulk of the covering is made of cloth. Be it thin cloth (as people seem to treat it in most discussions) or heavy padding.

[Cressy]

...Hasn't the answer to the original question been answered? Reinforcement within reason.

Yay.