Race/Class Expansion 2, The Ramble Begins

[Stealthscout]

Worgen: Paladin

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I DERPED PHONE PLEASE
NOW AFTER EDITING THIS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

I can say this: Worgen Paladins cannot be made and will never exist. Why? Paladins are immune to the curse. If a Worgen is a Paladin.. How is he effected by it? He isn't. That is why he is a human Paladin. No worgen.

[Grakor456]

Nothing exactly prevents a worgen from picking up paladin training -after- he's already been afflicted, though.

Same goes for undead, if you think about it. I've always been somewhat perplexed by the implication that all Forsaken just continue the trades they had in life. I mean, if being killed, animated, enslaved, and then freed as an undead abomination doesn't result in a mid-life crisis and potential career change, then nothing would.

[WindZealot]

And if Worgen Priests exist, why can't Paladins?

[Stealthscout]

Well, that is the whole point of it. The curse, that the Worgen is effected by it would get negated the moment he will become a Paladin. If you have a sickness, and you gain immunity to it.. you stop being sick. If you are immune to a sickness it will get into your body, but it will not do anything. That is what I think will happen. Worgen becomes Paladin.. Worgen stops being.. Worgen.

[WindZealot]

...Where does it say that Paladins are immune to curses?

[Krilari]

There is some RPG lore that says Paladins are immune to diseases such as that which made the scourge. Though since it's introduction blizzard seems to have forgotten about it given how many Paladins we see get scourged in WotLK.

Take it as you will. Even if we have to bother with the whole curse resistance, then I'd imagine they can simply become Paladins after.

[Stealthscout]

http://www.wowpedia.org/Paladin It says there that Paladins are immune to all diseases, which I think include becoming Worgen.

But yeah.. Exactly what Krilari said.

[Krilari]

Well you have to consider that the Worgen Curse is, well, a curse. Not a disease.

[WindZealot]

So, the possibility still exists. The curse might be transmissible by blood, but it's still a curse.

[c0rzilla]

And if Worgen Priests exist, why can't Paladins?

@"CappnRob" can explain this better than I can, but paladins and priests use the Light in different ways. Paladins aren't just priests with armor.

[Kaghuros]

Nothing exactly prevents a worgen from picking up paladin training -after- he's already been afflicted, though.

Same goes for undead, if you think about it. I've always been somewhat perplexed by the implication that all Forsaken just continue the trades they had in life. I mean, if being killed, animated, enslaved, and then freed as an undead abomination doesn't result in a mid-life crisis and potential career change, then nothing would.

Interestingly, Blizzard has explicitly stated Undead can be Paladins. The reason it doesn't seem feasible as a character is that using any of their abilities, even small ones, would be excruciatingly and cripplingly painful. It's cool if you want to do it, I guess, but I can see a lot of people ignoring the absolutely horrific IC consequences of such a character and just being Paladins in a different skin. I'd like to see one played well, but I also think it shouldn't be on the list from the start. Someone who really wants that kind of a "sacrifice and redemption" story should be able to work for it if they can make a good case.


Relevant Ask CDev quotes:

Spoiler:

Q: When undead use or are healed by the Holy Light, does it cause them any actual damage or harm, or does it only cause them pain (in addition to the intended effects of the spell)?

A: Channeling the Light in any way, or receiving healing from the Light, only causes pain. Forsaken priests do not disintegrate or explode from channeling the Light for an extended period of time… though they may wish they would.

Q: Are there long-term effects on an undead who is in regular contact with the Holy Light in a positive way?
A: It is difficult to say, as there are no known records of undead wielding the Holy Light before the Third War. There are reports, however, that some Forsaken have slowly experienced a sharpening of their dulled senses of touch, smell, etc., as well as an increase in the flashes of positive emotions that have otherwise become so rare since their fall into undeath. Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the Forsaken priesthood's increased attempts at self-destruction; regaining these senses would force the priests to smell their own rotting flesh, taste the decay in their mouths and throats, and even feel the maggots burrowing within their bodies.

Q: Can you please explain how "light" works? The lore states that undead are physically incapable of using the light, much like the Broken, but then we have Forsaken players casting healing spells, and Sir Zeliek in Naxxramas using pseudo-paladin abilities.

...Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself.

[Nymus]

So, just here to confirm.

When are we getting Tauren Rogues?

[Mathias]

The same day we get goblin paladins.

[Reigen]

New race/class combos will come when we figure out the best way to go about their introduction. We are making no promises yet to what will and will not be allowed.

[Geoni]

Ew there's no poll and I have to make a post and be well-worded.

But I like #3 the best. Although I think the best way to go about this is to go from #1 with the team deciding on what will be in the poll, then it becomes #3 and the team gets the popular opinion, and then it finally goes back to #1 so long as the team is doing what the server wants and not what they want - they'd just be finalizing the popular choices here. The team will have had their say in the first part, anyways. Yeah, this would be a little cluttery, but a good and clean end justifies a potentially messy mean.