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Perhaps the best way to respond to the character warnings is ICly- either run for your life or get enough of a resistance built up to stop the murderous people.
Also I find the GTA thing to be rather pretentious. Please don't generalize all the people who have been using character warnings. Also, no one's going to know their character's motives better than the rper itself, so we also shouldn't assume that we know how someone else's character should act regarding murder and such. Let people play their characters how they want, and perhaps find an appropriate way to respond ICly instead of having all these rants that the rp is suddenly ruined because there -may- be an element of death to them.
You know, I liked this concept in the beginning. On paper. But in practice, it's gone to hell, as has this thread. Lawful good paladins not reacting to senseless death? What the fel is that? If that makes -any- sense to anyone, PLEASE explain it to me. There's a very fine line between either side of this argument. It's either " leave it alone" or "to hell with this idea!" which really pisses me off. We shouldn't be even arguing about this. Sure, I disagree with a lot of the things that happen on this island, and think that some people need to reexamine their personality before RPing on Alcaz, but we need to let this place survive if possible. If nothing about the way people act here changes, this place is likely to burn down. Probably ICly as well as OOC. I don't want to see that. But it's going to happen. I agree with what several others have said so far about the island. A lot of people seem to be showing up just because they have the ability to kill with no concequences. Not even regarding the things I've seen happen that aren't at all possible (stabbed in the gut with no response other than "Oh, you stabbed me.").
I don't know that this makes any sense; I'm tired as hell. But I had to get this out there.
There are many reasons to justify a lawfull good paladin sitting back and watching a murder. For example, they might not see it as a murder, they might see it as a good cause, for example if the victim was an undead. Or an orc. Or even just horde, if they Paladin was alliance and true to his alliance.
I dont think there even was a lawful good paladin on the island at that time, but if there was, what gives you the right to judge how that person should roleplay? Its their character, if they dont react the way you want thats just too bad, they obviously have their reasons. Sometimes, people just dont want to get involved for OOC reasons too. After all, if i saw someone doing senseless murder RP, and both sides were consenting, i would just say "I hope they are having fun, but I, personally, want no part in it."
None of this stuff makes anyone a bad role-player, as its up to the individual to define what a good role-player is, not everyone else who wants to watch, and criticise later. Some people like strict and linear roleplay, some people like fairly casual and dramatic roleplay, both are fine and good. If the players are both consenting, as shown by them continuing, and both are having fun, also shown by them continuing, and they are not trolling, or Ruining anyone else's roleplay, or breaking server rules, then what's the problem?
I believe he's talking about all the paladins and 'good' characters letting Redis kill a dwarf and turn him into an undead like, right in front of them.
Aphetoros Wrote:I believe he's talking about all the paladins and 'good' characters letting Redis kill a dwarf and turn him into an undead like, right in front of them.
Exactly. Not saying Redis shouldn't have done it. But one of the "good" Alliance paladins should have reacted to a fellow Alliance member being killed off as such. Just because I "don't know their character" or somrthing doesn't mean they shouldn't react. I've seen hardcore "For the Alliance" paladins who would usually intervene sit back, watch, and laugh as people died.
Oh, if they are reacting IC, but by laughing and such then yeah, thats quite different, and quite bad. Never seen that myself though
First of all... Why would a lawful good paladin go to such a place in the first place?..
Miah Wrote:Oh, if they are reacting IC, but by laughing and such then yeah, thats quite different, and quite bad. Never seen that myself though
Sadly, I've seen it once. But only once. A character was killed on the island, and X "Lawful Good" Human Paladin looked and snickered. (Avoiding names for OOC drama...)
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It's wait I tried to say. People should really consider their characters personalities before going on a rampage. I can't believe that 90% of all characters that happen to go to Alcaz, are in fact cold-blooded maniac murdereres, who poke out burn people just to prove how evil they are.
I'm really sad to see people do such thing, and I believe that I wrote in the other thread that people shouldn't kill someone ICly, just for OOC satisfaction. Like someone else said, I believe that alot of people just do it because there is no OOC or IC consequences. In real life, people wouldn't just begin to kill people who take their barstools, if it had no consequences? I know that RL =/= WoW, but most characters still have MORALES aka. CONSCIENCE.
Sure, your lawful good paladin would try to purge the lands from evil, but your average joe would -most likely- not unarmed, with no combat training walk over to the almighty necromancer and punch him in the face, because you know that there is a 50% that you will win - and killing someone ICly makes you SO cool. /irony.
Seriously, consider your characters personality before making your average merchant, try to kill someone for not giving them change.
I'm not telling how people should RP their characters, but they should just consider their characters personalities. It can't be true that 90% of all characters infact are morale-less, cold-blooded, psychopathic serial killers.
What Jurkey said. In fact, the cold-blooded psychopathic killers of our server sit at probably 2-3% of the population. I play two of them. ICly, they laugh at some of the "hardass" characters on the server. The ones that talk the talk about murder, but when it comes down to brass tacks, likely wouodn'tdo it. Or would feel regretful about it. My favorite example of such an emotionless bastard who wouldn't care if he was killing a stranger, or his own mother, is Aulten. Dead is dead to him, and people he kills are all the same to him. Not to say I kill all the time on him, because I don't. But he is in fact very bloodthirsty. I lost count of his off-screen kills.
I guess the point of that statement is that, sure, cold-blooded, heartless, emotionless killers do exist on our server. But they are very few and far between. One should not assume that just because they are in a lawless area, that one can throw their character out the window in an effort to meet the OOC limitations (or lack thereof) of a place.
Rigley Wrote:Also I'm not sure if it was said on this thread, but I don't think any GM is spawning anything on this island unless the thing sees regular RP. So far there has been a huge dip in interest from the first few days of it, which is honestly what I expected, really.
A logical step, as why would one spawn items when the area is used? I do however, disagree about the seeming interest dip. I just logged on, finding 15+ people at the lawless island, and have seen this before frequently in the last week. People do go there, perhaps not when you are around to witness it (I really don't know your timezone), but if you ask me! It's very popular despite drama-ish at times! ^.~
Miah Wrote:There are many reasons to justify a lawfull good paladin sitting back and watching a murder.
A dwarf being killed by an undead.
WoWWiki Wrote:A paladin must be good and will lose all Light-given abilities if he ever willingly commits an evil act.
Yeah, this paladin just became an ex-paladin. I don't care what your paladin is, seeing undead and a necromancer kill a person, innocent or not, does not jive with the whole 'bastion of morality' bit.
Then again I think someone covered that up there.
Quote:most characters still have MORALES aka. CONSCIENCE.
Most. While most people have characters with a grounded sense of reality and morals though, not all do. This is especially true for undead. I'm not saying they're fully in the right or anything, but they have a right to play an amoral character. I have one, for instance, but he is more subtle in his actions. That being said I believe the good course of action would be to gather up the inhabitants of the island and just throw the guys off with force- Odds are the people feel terrorized by death going on so much around them, and logically would want to rid themselves of the cackling baddies.
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