Lore weapons - IC / OOC

[JVNemesis]

Then just so I know before hand what's the stance on Dag potentially wielding [item]Royal Crest of Lordaeron[/item] and [item]Burnished Quel'Serrar[/item] as that's what I'm looking at for Daginae come Gruntship? I did ask Nexi about them earlier, and she didn't say anything against em, just want a second opinion.

You'll probably be okay, as long as you're not running around telling everyone about how killed Onyxia and quenched your still-molten blade in her-
Wait no, now you just have to kill her to get that sword.
Nevermind.
Although, you might be able to get away with saying it's the actual blade. It's by no means a common item, but I would imagine if you came up with a good enough reason, perhaps wrote a good enough accompanying story, you might be able to get away with it.

I've had the same problem admittedly, the thread got popular. *Laughs* I do believe the no-no gear set list is possibly a good idea to add. Then we perhaps get a vague idea of the boundaries on what can and cannot be wielded IC-wise in terms of looks and stories.

It can be quite a bit of work, but perhaps worthwhile. I can look into it at some points of the GMs appreciate it?

That it is. It's an interesting topic. I usually don't post unless I feel it's necessary, and here I am, twice in one thread.
More than likely it wouldn't be all that long of a list. Only the obvious super weapons are so recognizable that they'd be banned. I bet no one even knows what Anduin Lothar's sword, [item]Ashkandi, Greatsword of the Brotherhood[/item] looks like, or would recognize it unless you told them. Probably just Atiesh, the warglaives, Thunderfury, probably Thori'dal...
Etc. You get the picture.

Edit: At least, I'm fairly certain it's his sword.
Could be wrong. It's happened before.

[Beltharean]

I've witnessed a character use that epic quel das or w/e sword that was listed above

That was me, way back when when Kaz was a member of the Blackdogs...

That is all.




EDIT: Also, I agree with Waffenbaum... Some of the best weapons are in fact gray, haha.

[Daginae]

No, actually the story would go the blade was given as a gift from his former wife actually since she was an elf.

[waffenbaum]

What I'd like to know is how any normal character is going to even lift half of the weapons mentioned here.
It's like people think it's Final Fantasy with all these ten-ton buster swords.

[JVNemesis]

No, actually the story would go the blade was given as a gift from his former wife actually since she was an elf.

Er.
Yeah, definitely just stick with it being a pretty sword, then.

[Aruen]

What I'd like to know is how any normal character is going to even lift half of the weapons mentioned here.
It's like people think it's Final Fantasy with all these ten-ton buster swords.

Which is a concern of mine as well, some weapons are just.. oversized to say the least. :|

EDIT: Also, I agree with Waffenbaum... Some of the best weapons are in fact gray, haha.

True, the highest I normally go with IC weapons are green. I dislike the looks from most above that point, because it just kills the realism for me.

No, actually the story would go the blade was given as a gift from his former wife actually since she was an elf.

Sounds good to me, but I'm no GM heh.

Only the obvious super weapons are so recognizable that they'd be banned.

Well, there are some more oversized weapons then you would think, but it might cause a conflict and lead to OOC drama to kill particular types and lengths of weapons now that I'm thinking of it.

[Daginae]

I'm not having it named "QuelSerrar" mate, just that's the story. It's just a weapon she had made and given to him, nothing more.

[JVNemesis]

I'm not having it named "QuelSerrar" mate, just that's the story. It's just a weapon she had made and given to him, nothing more.

Oh.
My apologies.

[ThePharaoh]

First of all, I think the rules should be interpreted with a little bit of common sense. The GM's have enough to worry about. If someone is using said lore weapon currently, or is a trademark weapon of a lore weapon it should be a no.

As far as what is stated above about weapons being lifted. The characters in WoW are much stronger than today's humans, for one they're not sitting by a computer all day. Anything they'd have to do, they'd do it by manual labor which would most likely make them pretty strong by default. Their food intake would be much higher as well, this is shown by pilgrims and people living in medevil days which their calorie intake would make us obese in weeks. Human peons are stronger than most of today's humans. Why? because they chop down trees, and mine gold all day. Warriors walk around in like 60lb+ armor, use shields and everything. So most of these weapons we can't hold, but they could.

It's also a preference. And like I said this isn't real life. You can't have an Orc who shoots fel fire, a elf who rose from the dead, a Dwarf who gets drunk or a gnome who explodes things, all fighting an undead army by a man possesed by an orc in a helmet. And then say it's ludicrous for a man to hold a large sword.

It's all fantasy, I don't mean to offend I just don't sugar coat opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own, It is a fantasy game, lets have some fantasy elements. I'd like to ride on a flying wyvern and fight skeletons with a giant axe, I think wow is one of the best mediums to do so. If I wanted to role play a traditional knight, with default armor I'd play something else personally, but the great thing about this is -everyone- can play what they like. We need to stop criticizing others for it. And before you say that other subliminal shots here weren't Criticism, some of this does happen in Barrenschat.

I think the opening question has already been answered btw. Once again I mean absolutely no offense, I respect all of your opinions believe it or not, I just would like to express mine without having to dilute it.

[Miah]

My personnal opinion is, for starters, WHY would anyone want a weapon such as this? Ill be honest and say, for a great warrior taking on the scariest villians in this world, its far more awesome if they are using a standard greatsword, or a sword and iron or wooden/iron shield, cause its far more realistic and utterly badass.

The kind of character i would see carrying epic's is similar to the character "professor lockheart" from harry potter. Particularly a bloodelf, a character who wanted to appear super flash and impressive to overcompensate for the fact they are actually quite hopeless. I'd find a dwarf warrior with a big iron axe much more impressive than a bloodelf looking like a christmass tree lit up with enchants and silly oversized weapons.

So to sum up, I think as long as it isnt directly tied into lore, and doesnt LOOK like there could only be one like it, or if so, the character WOULD have the money to have it made, then it should be acceptable, but prepare for people to roll there eyes and go "The fell is that your lugging around, get a real sword, flash!"

[Aruen]

First of all, I think the rules should be interpreted with a little bit of common sense. The GM's have enough to worry about. If someone is using said lore weapon currently, or is a trademark weapon of a lore weapon it should be a no.

They have enough to worry about, yes. But that does not mean a person can't start a discussion with a question towards the rest of the community and the GMs. After all, it's what the general forum is for.

As far as what is stated above about weapons being lifted. The characters in WoW are much stronger than today's humans, for one they're not sitting by a computer all day. Anything they'd have to do, they'd do it by manual labor which would most likely make them pretty strong by default. Their food intake would be much higher as well, this is shown by pilgrims and people living in medevil days which their calorie intake would make us obese in weeks. Human peons are stronger than most of today's humans. Why? because they chop down trees, and mine gold all day. Warriors walk around in like 60lb+ armor, use shields and everything. So most of these weapons we can't hold, but they could.

Fair point, you are right on this one.

It's all fantasy, I don't mean to offend I just don't sugar coat opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own, It is a fantasy game, lets have some fantasy elements. I'd like to ride on a flying wyvern and fight skeletons with a giant axe, I think wow is one of the best mediums to do so. If I wanted to role play a traditional knight, with default armor I'd play something else personally, but the great thing about this is -everyone- can play what they like. We need to stop criticizing others for it. And before you say that other subliminal shots here weren't Criticism, some of this does happen in Barrenschat.

There is a difference between sugar-coating opinions, and being harsh / brash about voicing that of yourself. The fine line lies in coming with strong arguments, without stating "Sue me" "Go outside." and likewise sentences that make you come over as hostile and angered.

I think the opening question has already been answered btw. Once again I mean absolutely no offense, I respect all of your opinions believe it or not, I just would like to express mine without having to dilute it.

Again, there's no need to dilute it but I already stated what causes it above this bit. And yes, a point has been made but regardless, there is no need to ask for closure when you are not the author of the thread. (I consider the last sentence a indirect request for it)

GMs can close it if they wish, the question has been answered and I fear this is on the road to a rather drama then actual useful information. Heh, I might be wrong on it, but that's how it comes over to me.

Thanks for discussing people, I mean no offence right there Pharoah, but do felt it had to be said. I rather leave it at that.

[waffenbaum]

"The fell is that your lugging around, get a real sword, flash!"

The kind of characters who have that sort of stuff would likely also be the ones most eager to show you just how badass they think they are, so prepare for them emoting that they completely "pwn your stuffz" with their giant shiny spiked weapon of ultimate destructodoom *cough*

[Seraphim]

Weapon model =/= OOC weapon stats. If it isn't Frostmourne, Illidan's Warglaives, or otherwise have a model that is similarly iconic to a lore figure, the text you get when you hover over the weapon means nothing in-character.

If you get into a fight with a person with a fancy weapon, and they start adding unreasonable bonuses to their rolls or emote liquid pain frothing from their sword's crossguard, then it becomes a problem.

Yes, people should have a reason for their sword to be glowing purple aside from "It looks nice," and they should observe the rule of less being more. Personally, I would rather let roleplayers govern themselves in regards to what is too ridiculous-looking for their characters.

This is a medieval fantasy setting. If you want to start talking about realism, consider that even the grey weapons in-game are historically inaccurate, and that there isn't a single functional-looking suit of armor in the game. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I say revel in it, and enjoy the setting for what it is: Not Middle-Earth, not Toril, and not 1200-1600 AD Earth. It's the World of Ridiculously Huge, Non-Functional Pauldrons, Swords, and Steampunk Guns That Could Never Work (Warcraft). Take it for what it is.

Lastly, posts like this tend to anger people and draw emotional responses because it's a discussion on how someone is playing their character wrong. It's understandable for people to become defensive when (whether it is intentional or not) their playstyle is being criticized. Something to think about when creating this sort of post.

[Aruen]

^ And with that it should be locked, I'll reserve further posting.

[Piroska]

Lockety-locked!