Remaking my pally as a Worgen? ( A discussion on Worgen )

[Kaghuros]

I remember quest chains and the Wiki clearly noting that Arugal had gone completely mad, and believed the Worgen to be his children. He pretty much spread it like it was a gift from heaven. The Night Elves had likely forgotten (This is a lore retcon for Worgen Druids, I have no doubt, so please bear with Metzen) so they won't understand what the Scythe of Elune does except that it's an amazing artifact of their golden age.

Important reasons listed in the thread were: Night Elves only helped the people of Gilneas, and it was only through this help that they could become sentient again, all other Worgen are either mindless and bestial Druids from another realm, or do not pass on the curse to another, and Arugal only cursed the people around his tower and the people in those villages in Northrend so it would take direct confrontation to have been cursed aside from those two instances. The only other way to be cursed is contact with the Scythe of Elune, which is god knows where with some Black Riders, unless that only summons true Worgen which I don't quite understand.

[therew]

From what I can tell the scythe summons the same Worgen that Argal summoned.

Now as for the night elf helping the Worgen become free, it seems the wiki says the humans found their own way free.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Gilneas
3rd paragraph under " In world of Warcraft"


In Cataclysm it seems the scythe landed in Gilneas which I just found out. Would explain in part how the curse spread like crazy but makes me wonder why some of the people who came in contact with the scythe did not become worgen. Seems the scythe only summons worgen not make them.

Have to agree with you when it comes to the retcon theory. things are not adding up at all which suggests a blizzard retcon.

Argal seemed to only have made Worgen near where he lived, so how it reached all of Gilneas is beyond me unless the worgen spread it some how on their own, (not suggested) or Argal did a lot more casting than I know about. ( More possible.)

Dear blizzard... please do a better job writing this stuff. Makes my life easier.

[Grakor456]

Dear blizzard... please do a better job writing this stuff. Makes my life easier.

We aren't at Cata yet, so there's still time for the lore to be ironed out an clarified.

The REAL fun will be figuring out Worgen Death Knights...since, ya know, from a time line perspective, they're joining the Alliance AFTER the Lich King is already dead.

[Binkleheimer]

Actually, the Gilnean Druids are more or less Nature Mages.
It is later on they learn of the Night Elves and get their forms.
That is why their druid trainers have the title, "Of the Harvest."

[Jeff]

Dear blizzard... please do a better job writing this stuff. Makes my life easier.

We aren't at Cata yet, so there's still time for the lore to be ironed out an clarified.

The REAL fun will be figuring out Worgen Death Knights...since, ya know, from a time line perspective, they're joining the Alliance AFTER the Lich King is already dead.

My only current guess is that Blizzard will derp it, and say somehow Arthas got in there, picked up a Kill Frenzy mission, and butched a bunch of Worgens. But I am certain it will be something better.

[PiesOfNub]

Dear blizzard... please do a better job writing this stuff. Makes my life easier.

We aren't at Cata yet, so there's still time for the lore to be ironed out an clarified.

The REAL fun will be figuring out Worgen Death Knights...since, ya know, from a time line perspective, they're joining the Alliance AFTER the Lich King is already dead.

Well, Plenty of Worgen would die at the hands of the Forsaken, and out in the big real world - so in that case, if the Ebon Blade are still raising soldiers from the dead, they may do so using the Worgen corpses. That said, they'd first have to GET to them to raise them!

Blizzard really should stop and consider "Hey, if we do this, it'll break this piece of lore into shards of frozen poop. How can we correct that without being half-assed?!"

[DrinkArizona]

But Pienubs, we have to take a certain point in consideration. Blizzard doesn't care about the RP'er. Over 12-13 million players and what, maybe 600-700k are RP'ers? 70% are on Moon Guard, and let's face it, lore doesn't exactly play a factor there.

The truth is, it's not the retail RP'er's fault or a retail server--it's Blizzard. In a way, if you can call it a fault. They do what is needed to make money, and simply enough, raiding, instances...it's more money then being lore correct. And they don't exactly trip and fall over each other every time they do something, they just have hiccups. My point is: They don't care. They make money off raids and new content, even if it's as, and pardon my Gnomish, as batshit as insane as having a 1/4 Draenei, 1/4 Orc and 1/2 human that wie-

Oh wait.

Now, Arugal summoned the Worgen against the Scourge, so it isn't that hard to believe that the Scourge picked up the bodies and did their magic, but that means they would have had to either: A, sit on ice for a loong time or B: Been Death Knights far longer then the Ebon Hold fellows.

[Benislav]

Now, Arugal summoned the Worgen against the Scourge, so it isn't that hard to believe that the Scourge picked up the bodies and did their magic, but that means they would have had to either: A, sit on ice for a loong time or B: Been Death Knights far longer then the Ebon Hold fellows.

This is probably the closest we'll get to a satisfactory explanation unless Blizzard picks up Azeroth, shakes it around a little bit, and then puts it back down. The other point you could suggest is that Worgen Death Knights don't actually exist. Think about Forsaken priests. Didn't we have a thread where we talked about how they can't utilize the light? Since Death Knights came before Worgen, Blizzard may not have completely known what was going to happen, and Worgen Death Knights will come into play as more of a balancing factor than a realistic one.

That said, we can't really know yet.

[therew]

Worgen deathknights from Gilneas will probrally be next to impossible. But Worgen were allied to the scourge in northrend so it fully possible for them to exsist. With the death of the lich king they are unemployed so what would prvent them from going to a place full of worgen and joining the ranks of some army?


As for my character I think I figuredout what I am going to do with him. Inspite of not wanting a retcon it seems I will have little choice in the matter. I will have to make him be in Gilneas at some point in time so I came up with two options formy character.

Option one: Retcon him being a citizen from stormwind and make him one from Gilneas. Being a paladin he goes where the silverhand tells him to go but when the curse breaks out he is called back to Gilneas to help heal the people and contain the curse and thus causes him self to get it.

Option two: Drop the retcon entirely and somehow get him into Gilneas to get cursed. I haven't played him in a year so thats plenty of time for him to get into the place. But question is, how locked up Gilneas? Did they cut all ties with everywhere and thus making it impossible to get in? Or was the wall built just to keep the scourge out and Gilneas still behaved like a port city? (the second being more realistic if you ask me)

[Gyran]

To my knowledge Gilneas was self-sustaining and sealed off completely around the second war, making it impossible for one to leave/return. I'd also say a Gilnean Paladin is improbable. Paladin warriors first appeared in the second war and I believe that Gilnean warrior or priests might of had a small chance to become Paladin warriors, but as the Gilneans became reclusive, studies in that field may have become scarce to non-existent.

I'd probably advise making a completely different character as a Worgen instead of bending your Paladin to fit a new story.

[therew]

Self sustaining seems improbable. I'm kinda imagining the nation to be like China. Some people come, some people go, they have exports and imports, but still more or less closed off. They dropped out of the alliance before the 3rd war, but in warcraft 3 Jaina and her father Admiral proudmore are in charge of Gilnean ships, so it is possible for them to have paladins and its possible for them to not have cut off all contact with the alliance. The idea does seem far fetched and would be difficult to pull off but making a new character thats a worgen would defeat what I am trying to accomplish with this character. Thust why I made this post made it an open discussion. The more we discuss the more impossible it seems so I will not be surprised if I never bring this character back at all. I have an idea that may work. Going to type it up and send it up for approval. If I get a nay, then on darn it. Back to the drawing board. If it gets approved then, woot! victory is mine. I like victory. It tastes like candy.

[Kaghuros]

It was, at least at one time, canon that Gilneas had no contact with the outside world after the Second War. Remember, this is a tiny feudal barony that encompasses a handful of farming villages. They could support themselves if they felt like it, even though things wouldn't be so great for them once they were lost to the eyes of the rest of the Human race. Also, Gilneas was said to be surrounded by impassable cliffs and deadly shoals. I think they may have retconned that though, or at least said that the Cataclysm made it accessible by sea or something.

[therew]

According to the Wiki page they locked their-selves in though land but their ships are seen all over the place. Theres even the Gilnean Brigade you fight in warcraft 3. There just nothing to be said as to weither they were allowed back into Gilneas or if exile was the cost to pay for not being behind the wall when it was built. /shrug

[Amerason]

Remember, this is a tiny feudal barony that encompasses a handful of farming villages.

Wait, are you saying that Gilneas as a kingdom is a tiny feudal barony? Because if that is so, I apologize beforehand if it sounds like I am attacking you. :P But Gilneas was the -second- most powerful human kingdom by itself besides the old Kingdom of Azeroth(Stormwind)

[Amerason]

Worgen deathknights from Gilneas will probrally be next to impossible. But Worgen were allied to the scourge in northrend so it fully possible for them to exsist. With the death of the lich king they are unemployed so what would prvent them from going to a place full of worgen and joining the ranks of some army?


As for my character I think I figuredout what I am going to do with him. Inspite of not wanting a retcon it seems I will have little choice in the matter. I will have to make him be in Gilneas at some point in time so I came up with two options formy character.

Option one: Retcon him being a citizen from stormwind and make him one from Gilneas. Being a paladin he goes where the silverhand tells him to go but when the curse breaks out he is called back to Gilneas to help heal the people and contain the curse and thus causes him self to get it.

Option two: Drop the retcon entirely and somehow get him into Gilneas to get cursed. I haven't played him in a year so thats plenty of time for him to get into the place. But question is, how locked up Gilneas? Did they cut all ties with everywhere and thus making it impossible to get in? Or was the wall built just to keep the scourge out and Gilneas still behaved like a port city? (the second being more realistic if you ask me)

Apologies for... a double post! But I do have a concern with a Paladin being cursed in general... I am not sure if it applies to them, but I do know that Paladins in lore are immune to disease and if I am not mistaken, the majority of curses as well.