Risque Images and Writing on the Forums

[Psychyn]

Didn't you know? When you see a warning saying you might see something offensive and that you don't like, you automatically have to click on that spoiler tag, just to indulge yourself to see something you dislike. Happens quite often...

Curiosity killed the cat.

[Esthrunil]

I apologize for posting the nude models in my art thread. If you like, I'll remove the drawings.

I find this humorous, in one respect. I've spent enough time in figure drawing to not see nudity as much of a big deal, but I understand why others might.

EDIT: It's probably also because I'm fully capable of detaching the concept of nudity from sex because of my sexual identity, but hey.

I will refrain from throwing more than two cents in on the matter of overly large objects of erotic desire. To put it simply, I find that putting massive breasts on a woman is kind of... What's the word... Objectifying? At the same time, I find men with overly large X or Y to be objectifying. Basically, if you're trying to emphasize -one- bit of a person, you're ignoring who they are. At the same time, I don't find overly large anythings all that attractive (contrary to popular belief, I will not tackle anyone that moves. Shocking, I know.)

Okay, I'm done.

[Rigley]

I don't think making jabs at one another is going to lead to anything productive here, guys.

[Reigen]

Perhaps as we have the adult channel in-game, we can have an age-restricted sub-forum? Some people lie about their age, sure, they even do it when signing up for the forums and there's no way we can moderate that, but at the same time it would work for keeping suggestive images out of the eye of general public as well as allow for people to show off what they can do, even if a bit more adult orientated. This way people who listed their age as below 18 would not be able to see the section, but those who are above can visit it -at their own risk-.

Granted, I'm not sure if such a thing is possible, but it would help solve the 'minors viewing this stuff' issue and keep the majority of the site PG-13.

[I'd also likely be too embarrassed to ever go there, but it's an option for the more mature audience that the website does have, kinda like Icanhazcheezeburger has an after-dark section.]

Edit: Or someone could make a separate forum for such thing to keep it away from the main site, with Kretol's blessing of course.

[Grakor456]

Edit for Grakor: Breasts are not sexual. They are a secondary sexual characteristic that might sensitive, might look good (sexy), but they are made for nursing children. Not reproduction like other things. Their purpose has been blown out of proportion by many factors in society.

I probably phrased that poorly. While breasts aren't technically a sexual organ, they're still not considered appropriate to be exposed or seen in the minds of most Americans. I'm also aware that many Europeans have different, and more relaxed, ideas with regards as to what is appropriate to be seen or not be seen.

I, personally, don't care about seeing nudity in general, but my personal opinions aren't the be-all end-all for CotH policy. So, I try to convey what it is that I think goes too far based upon the society I have been raised in.

[Saiyuu]

I apologize for posting the nude models in my art thread. If you like, I'll remove the drawings.

I find this humorous, in one respect. I've spend enough time in figure drawing to not see nudity as much of a big deal, but I understand why others might.

I will refrain from throwing more than two cents in on the matter of overly large objects of erotic desire. To put it simply, I find that putting massive breasts on a woman is kind of... What's the word... Objectifying? At the same time, I find men with overly large X or Y to be objectifying. Basically, if you're trying to emphasize -one- bit of a person, you're ignoring who they are. At the same time, I don't find overly large anythings all that attractive (contrary to popular belief, I will not tackle anyone that moves. Shocking, I know.)

Okay, I'm done.

Actually, I don't think you're doing anything wrong here. I've seen your nudity art and I absolutely see no problems with it. One thing about Art and about being an Artist is having the freedom to draw what your creativity wants you to draw. If you feel like drawing nude women, be my guest, as long as it isn't a clearly offensive image. (Which is also there's a ton of artwork I post somewhere else that I don't bring here, because there's nudity and maybe suggestive poses.)

[Psychyn]

I don't think making jabs at one another is going to lead to anything productive here, guys.

I.. Apologize if that was directed at me, that wasn't the intention of the post.

The message was true nonetheless however, curiosity killed the cat. If you find yourself curious to see a warned picture (nudity) for example, it's clearly marked and wrapped up with spoiler tags and you have a problem with that sort off thing, is it truly the blame of the person for posting it when you override all the warnings? You opened the spoiler, you made the movement to see what was marked so the fault lies with you. (If you wish to call it fault. It comes down to; "You could have expected it" Or perhaps "A dumb mistake to make.")

Perhaps as we have the adult channel in-game, we can have an age-restricted sub-forum? Some people lie about their age, sure, they even do it when signing up for the forums and there's no way we can moderate that, but at the same time it would work for keeping suggestive images out of the eye of general public as well as allow for people to show off what they can do, even if a bit more adult orientated. This way people who listed their age as below 18 would not be able to see the section, but those who are above can visit it -at their own risk-.

Also a good idea. People lie about their age, yes.. But are we the ones who should parent them? The forum would still be separated from the main bits of CotH, so it is still an additional 'effort' of the mind to go there, browse the threads, see the pictures/posts/writings. You choose to do it, so the person who put it there can not be blamed.

[c0rzilla]

I would disagree with that suggestion, Reigen though it is thought out. I can see that quickly spiraling into Hentai Foundry if the GMs don't keep a good watch on it. And I'm not sure they want that added responsibility. And, even if stuff like that would be welcome on CotH officially, I think a good deal of people on here don't want to see the flame battles that could come from that.

[Rigley]

I personally dislike the idea of having any kind of mature board. Because I think there are plenty of other sites where such material could be viewed other than CotH. It just isn't something I think we need.

It's kinda like asking the actual WoW forums if they could have a forum for that kind of stuff. They wouldn't do it either; it just doesn't feel... professional, for lack of a better term.

Meh. It's hard to explain.

[Anski]

I for one think art is art. I know i'm probably going down the devil's advocate road here, but to me, as long as it's not meant to be blatantly pornographic it's fine to me. Which is probably why I won't be the one skulking art threads for violations. I take a very feminist stance on these sort of things in real life, but when it comes to the arts i'm completely different. :\

[c0rzilla]

Life imitates art imitates life...on and on, unfortunately. Not sure CotH is large enough for the "Free Speech" card on that. I, personally, have never been a fan of the "Oh, it's art! I can do anything, expressing myself!"...line of thought? Is that the right way to phrase it?

At the same time, I'm funnily anti-censorship. I guess I just don't like "art" being used as excuse by people when their stuff is called out by people that don't like it or its message.

Again (woo edit train) there are messages that are wrong. Always.

[Saiyuu]

Honestly, I think the warnings exist for a reason, not to serve as something to bother your eyes while you glare in anger at the drawing YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE. Yet, people ignore all warnings and spoiler tags and just go ahead and look at what they dislike. Self-torture at its best.

Life imitates art imitates life...on and on, unfortunately. Not sure CotH is large enough for the "Free Speech" card on that.

Since when is art supposed to be about ultra-realism? For all I know as an Art student, one of the most important aspects on Art is how it can be done differently, in different styles, different instances, by different people.

[Grakor456]

Honestly, I think the warnings exist for a reason, not to serve as something to bother your eyes while you glare in anger at the drawing YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE. Yet, people ignore all warnings and spoiler tags and just go ahead and look at what they dislike. Self-torture at its best.

I think the ultimate problem with this logic I have, and from what Kretol has said to me that he has as well, is that the link shouldn't have been present in the first place. Would you go to your college message board and post a public link to dirty drawings that you've done?

If it shouldn't be here, then a spoiler or a link doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be here.

[Wuvvums]

These jabs do feel low. I think a lot of us actually have been showing restraint in what we've been saying lately. We've even backed off when asked to and drop things when they get too far. That being said I always wanted to say this and it's not directed at anyone in particular.

It's a man's world and I feel like half the time things are made for men, to please men, and I feel like coth is becoming like this. I'm sick of women being objectified, infantilized, stereotyped, and so on and overlooked for not being one of these. And then when speaking about the treatment and depiction of women, most people get offended. Most people don't want to think that they've been sexist or acted sexist before but it happens, and when discussing why x or y material is sexist, people are going to get a little uppity about this.

And you know what? I can't ignore this because it's EVERYWHERE, and I just have to deal with it, unfortunately.

[Rigley]

Yet, people ignore all warnings and spoiler tags and just go ahead and look at what they dislike. Self-torture at its best.

As I said. Please stop posting this kind of retort. It isn't helping the matter at all, it's just going to cause more animosity.

This can be discussed without the entire thread exploding, but it's going to take restraint from everyone to make that happen.