Cheaper Token

[Ural]

I agree after looking over everyone's posts. IC coins should stay IC. I shove them at everyone ICly as much as I can. Though as much as I say that, I can't bring myself to simply delete them because I want to get an ale.

[Technomancer]

This topic's been one I've been thinking about for a while, so I'll just bump the thread instead of making a new one.

I agree that the token price should be reduced, and honestly, I'd like to see the tokens become free. Personally, I make a lot of temporary characters for RP, and with the hefty price of tokens, it can be difficult. The price of a token makes using one a heavy investment, albeit not as much as levelling from 1-50. For example I made a character recently for the skirmishes in Ashenvale, one I had intended to fight for a few skirmishes, then fall to the orcs. (I could go into a lovely rant here, but that's for another time.) Now, trying to even fight on the roads of Ashenvale, let alone the wilderness, was nearly impossible, even with the buffs. The character was made to be killed off rather quickly, nothing but a simple foot soldier to show some mortality in the skirmishes. As such, putting 300 gold down on a token for a character who would be used for all of a week at maximum, didn't feel like a good idea.

The token system gives players one of two choices; to either PvE to level or gain gold, or to write a profile for gold. There are people who write profiles because they enjoy writing them, but a majority of people I've spoken with usually do it for more OOC gold for tokens, and I feel that it's sending the wrong message. People should be writing profiles because they enjoy it, or want to put their character's information down for a written record. On the other side, having to do dailies for gold, or manually level to 50, just so you can RP outside of towns without being one shot by anything and everything, makes it punishing for those who came here just for the RP.
I understand that the server tries to cater to light PvE through instances and raids for those with a profile, and I'm not asking for that to change. But by giving those who simply want to RP here the ability to do so without having to manually level, do dailies, or even beg others on the server for a token, would greatly increase the variety of characters made, and improve the server.

As for the IC coin debate, I doubt there will ever be a way to make it work without handing it out on a case by case basis.

[Bingles]

If you -really- don't want to and your character needs to be level 50, go to the Argent Tournament Grounds and quest for 15 minutes. If you don't have gruntship I will be glad to help you with your gold issue.

[Kage]

I'm just gonna say. Making a new character then going to rp in anyplace that's -not- inside a city usually means death. Like swarmed by npc's death. It's hard to rp a new character when there a low level, but for the new players, they really can't get the 300 less someone shells it out eh? Oh, while we're on this money topic, why not make a free mount? One that's not used for in character things, but made to allow easy travel for -all- characters.

[Harmonic]

Problem with free is that everyone will make throw-away characters and all GMs would be doing is fruitlessly leveling people. It's really not that hard to get the money for these tokens, as money does spread pretty far when you're moving it between characters.




I think my main gripe about this topic was too, is that the current token system makes it so no one even really has to write profiles, because everything can be handed to them. Sure, you don't get leveled to 80, but that's not that huge of a benefit when RPing.

[Kage]

The level 80 allows the usage of DK's. That right there is enough to convince -most- people to make a profile or two. If your concern is people wouldn't make anymore profiles, what of the people who already have one accepted profile? They can easily get a token by milling, and thus making another profile is now useless. And we do have the component page, so it's not like the GM's are going to be spammed by people going "Level me!"

[Harmonic]

If I'm not mistaken, I think there are a handful of peons taking advantage of this. That was more to the point.


Edit: As for the component page, that's a good point.

HOWEVER. This would again bring the to the original point... that would make it so that people still wouldn't have to worry about profiles as much. There's already so much you can get for "free" on CoTH that I don't think it's so ludicrous to ask that people put time and effort into gold farming to get that level fifty. At least then, they've got a dilemma on their hands.

"Do I want to grind out for this character... or do I want to make a profile for them, and get my level 80, 2k gold, and other perks?"

Edit 2: At the moment, we have no waiting on the profiles either. It really doesn't seem to take long at all to get one approved.

[Kage]

Once again I'll bring up the point that once you have a level 80, there is no reason to make another profile. Cause then you can get your other characters up to level 50 no problem, and you already have your DK. People make profiles because they like their character, not cause they want 2k gold.

[Harmonic]

I have no idea where you are going. You're right--- there is no reason to make another profile. People will manipulate that, and again; if I'm not mistaken, some people already are.

[Kage]

What your saying is that people wont write a profile because they can easily level their character with cheapened or free tokens correct? Then what I'm saying is all anyone needs is one profile. Just one if everyone is milling these tokens. My point is to make peons lives IG easier so they don't have to run around trying to avoid the monsters that spawn only to get killed by them anyway and have to get to their dead body to rez and run only to die again and again if they are without an escort.

[Kira13]

And here I thought profiles were for people all over the server to know that the character you own is fully approved as what he is, and that he is sure to RP as and/or with.

[Harmonic]

Or, make their lives easier so that they don't have to make a profile either. I mean, not everyone cares about DK's, and as I keep saying, I'm pretty sure there are people already milking that system.

This in some way makes people choose, either profiles, or grinding, and most will choose profiles because after all, we are an RP server. I think that it's -good- that we have something like this---incentive. That will make it so that those people who necessarily don't care to make profiles will -have- to if they want their goodies.

However, rather than making the tokes free, I think that there needs to be a harsher limit or something like that with this. There's so much stuff available now as soon as you start on CoTH, realistically you could get away with having all level fifty characters with whatever armor you want, and whatever sort of backstory you'd like because of "x" reason.

It may be harsh for people who start here to have to wait to get some money to get the tokens... but that creates -incentive-. Incentive to make profiles, incentive to stick around longer than a month, and incentive to adhere to some of the other standards set in place.

I'm sorry, but this thin strip of difference between peons and grunts should remain in my opinion.


Edit:

And here I thought profiles were for people all over the server to know that the character you own is fully approved as what he is, and that he is sure to RP as and/or with.

We'd all love to think that everybody that comes to CoTH thinks that way, but they don't which is again my point. Not everyone likes to do profiles or has a reason to. Profiles DO have that point, and it's why I'd like them to be more mandatory (in a sense, really they could never be mandatory).

And if profiles were for that sole purpose, this would be an insta-80 server.

[Kira13]

To be honest, I don't really care wheter the tokens are made cheaper, but I do agree with Rensin; what we have now seems appropriate, and I really see no need for any changes.

[Caravan]

I really don't see how a cheaper token is necessary. As for affordability, I know I myself frequently hand out 400g or Bronze Tokens to new players for at least one character so that they can begin making money on their own. This was done for me when I first came to CoTH and it was an appreciated gesture that made me feel more connected to the server, so I try to pay that forward as frequently as I can.

Rensin brings up a lot of good points. There's so much freedom and free things in CotH and while it doesn't cater to instant gratification as other servers do, as it is my understand it's not trying to. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Kage]

What I'm trying to say is that it's hard to be a peon here. I know a couple who get embarrassed because they need an escort of they'll die. How about this. Those profiles that get approved pending gruntship. Give them a bump to level 50. That's incentive right there.