Rigley Rambles: On .addrp and Profiles

[Rigley]

I'm personally glad I was never around for the Silver token system. Taking this away just for an IC currency system just does not sit well with me at all.

That isn't the only reason-- the chief reason is behind profiles, and I believe that was stated in a previous post.

In regards to IC currency, the starting amount has -always- been an issue. Because people will often say their character should have 'above the standard' amount of wealth because of X or Y. So then if that's a majority stating that, how does one -ever- pin the standard to give?

I just feel that the flat rate was much more... fair. Eh. /shrug.

But really IC currency is a minor point here. My largest concern is over profiles, since I've long past considered the IC currency concept as having given up the ghost. It's... there, but hardly so.

[Harmonic]

So it is hindering some people. :C

...I find the groans over auctions being unappealing.... Well, unreasonable.

Stop trying to sell sand in the desert. Hold auctions for things that can't be so easily acquired, those items that can't be added by command, like rings, trinkets, lightshow consumables...

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CoTH could go P2P. Profile to play.

That is brilliant. Horrible, but brilliant.

Wow. You know, I want to say something to Cressy.


Thank you for doing your auctions, they are appreciated. I don't understand why people say things like this to you over them, or in regards to events where you give free items.


I'm starting to feel really, really bad about how greedy people are sounding here. Selling sand in the desert? Don't be surprised when she stops doing auctions -period- because of crap like this.

[Cressy]

So it is hindering some people. :C

...I find the groans over auctions being unappealing.... Well, unreasonable.

Stop trying to sell sand in the desert. Hold auctions for things that can't be so easily acquired, those items that can't be added by command, like rings, trinkets, lightshow consumables...

And rare items are supposed to be the only things I sell? Originally, the point of auctions were a way to buy items from players with professions, to players buying them at the auctions. So, no. I was attempting to push currency around and give players a reason to be more than super heros.

Sorz 4 tryn.

[Jonoth]

No one ever did serious Merchant RP anyway.

I did. Or at least I tried to. Unfortunately, my concept for Axestorm Smithing came at a bad time. It was pre-IC Currency and post addrp. So on the limited occasions that I was contracted to make armor, it was less me having the fun of creating a set from what I had available, and more "the set will be a, b, and c". It took a lot of the fun out of the process, which thankfully got picked up through having awesome people in the guild. I think Gwydd was the only character I ever got to actually make a set for, and I was damned proud of it! And I think that's also why I largely fell out of the work-based RP. There was no creativity, just work. I do agree that removing the command will probably be hell, and I don't necessarily think it's something that can be changed at a whim. So for better or worse, it's probably here to stay.

[CappnRob]

Well Rigley, while I can totally see where you're coming from, I must disagree about IC currency and RP items. Yeah, the fact you can use .add to get anything you want makes merchant characters useless and unneeded, but I don't think -any- character type should be -needed- to enjoy role play. If I wanna RP the fancy guy in fancy armor, I should be able to do so without having to jump through hoops first.

Now yeah, you get better character development (generally speaking) by going from "rags to riches" as it were, and I suppose you can say you promote better involvement and investment in the server when you actually have to work for stuff, which promotes server loyalty and keeps people from leaving on a whim, but some of us (namely, myself), don't have that sort of free time and energy to totally commit to a fully living, breathing, immersive world. Yeah, that sort of takes a huge dump on the whole concept of an MMORPG, but it is the truth. Some of us can only RP in bursts, in contained episodes, and because of that, the .addrpitem system lets us maintain our characters in a way that otherwise would be impossible.

Combine it with things like IC forum posts, and you can still get a well developed character without having to totally commit to the in-game world.

But that's just me.

[Aadora]

So it is hindering some people. :C

...I find the groans over auctions being unappealing.... Well, unreasonable.

Stop trying to sell sand in the desert. Hold auctions for things that can't be so easily acquired, those items that can't be added by command, like rings, trinkets, lightshow consumables...

And rare items are supposed to be the only things I sell? Originally, the point of auctions were a way to buy items from players with professions, to players buying them at the auctions. So, no. I was attempting to push currency around and give players a reason to be more than super heros.

Sorz 4 tryn.

I don't agree with this at all...

My brother used to love the Auctions.

He got a Bike from there.
He got a kite from there.
He bought me the Argent Shield form there.
He bought some haunted things, that... had he not left the server, would have put him into a storyline that only involved a few people.

You can't .add mounts, pets, or storylines.

And even some items you can't get such as all those items that weren't added to the vendors like Kretol said they might be. Those things sell for a lot... I believe my brother got the Argent Shield for like, 20 IC gold. That takes 4 approved profiles worth right there. And so far as I have seen, no one has the shield other than me now. Makes me feel a little bit special... but it took IC gold to get there.

[Rigley]

First off, I would request people calm down. I don't wish to lock this thread, as I enjoy seeing the discussions here.

In response to some of the posts here: I really feel like the biggest point of this is being kinda missed. Let us remove the worries over IC currency. My largest concern is profiles when I speak about this issue, though I do lament the downfall of the currency system.

I don't really feel like a profile is -that- much to ask to give people access to any gear they wish to add. I don't really feel that a profile should take people too long, as really you're not required to write a novel, just a summation of the character for our reference and approval. If you feel that profiles have been made into something beyond that then that can be addressed, and it should.

[Sersay]

Cressy, I have yet to thank you for having an IC auction, that tempted a poor ditzy red head named Pygan to spend all her parents savings for her on a mystery box, find out it was full of steamy romance novels, and inwardly panic. That's earned her the title -pr0n- girl in game. Thank you <3

[Aadora]

I don't really feel like a profile is -that- much to ask to give people access to any gear they wish to add. I don't really feel that a profile should take people too long, as really you're not required to write a novel, just a summation of the character for our reference and approval. If you feel that profiles have been made into something beyond that then that can be addressed, and it should.

To me the issue isn't doing a profile... it takes me about, 10-20 minutes for the ones I have done.

The thing is it can take a few days -much longer for special ones- to get approved, and then after it is approved you have to wait 7 days before making another one.

It would take months to get my actively played characters approved. And every time I make a new one... it can add 10 days to the time it will take just to be able to get gear I want to wear.

so it's not about the time it takes to do a profile.

It's the time it takes between multiple profiles.

[Rigley]

I'm personally fine with a buffer, but then again I just feel that it's a bit... odd that someone would need so many characters approved in such a frame of time and be able to be active on them all. In the past this was done-- to a much more extreme extent, since silver tokens sometimes took days to be received. I'm just attempting to feel for a good middleground in this.

[Sersay]

First off, I would request people calm down. I don't wish to lock this thread, as I enjoy seeing the discussions here.

In response to some of the posts here: I really feel like the biggest point of this is being kinda missed. Let us remove the worries over IC currency. My largest concern is profiles when I speak about this issue, though I do lament the downfall of the currency system.

I don't really feel like a profile is -that- much to ask to give people access to any gear they wish to add. I don't really feel that a profile should take people too long, as really you're not required to write a novel, just a summation of the character for our reference and approval. If you feel that profiles have been made into something beyond that then that can be addressed, and it should.

I agree with you so much on this profile concept. Requiring them for the perks. The thing holding that back though, is I think that it feels in general that you -have- to post a whole novel just to get an approved profile currently. Thats just the jive I felt looking over the profiles when returning. Thats...an issue. Not everyone is going to have multiple noteworthy individual events in their char's life that they must point out, nor would some stuff be needed to get the point.

[LostStranger]

I'm starting to feel really, really bad about how greedy people are sounding here. Selling sand in the desert? Don't be surprised when she stops doing auctions -period- because of crap like this.

I don't mean to provoke an incident. My intended tone was not condescending.

By all means, Cressy seems to've been dismayed by her lack of success, and I think that lack of progress has been her approaching from the wrong angle.

To dramatize, I saw it as banging your head at a brick a wall and frustration when it didn't crack. For lack of a jackhammer, perhaps the best way to get through is to go around?

You can't .add mounts, pets, or storylines.

...A better way of saying what I wanted to say

[Harmonic]

The two week rule does boggle me too, I'll admit.

We used to use that in cases where the forums would be FLOODED with profiles, and only two or so GMs were actually active. Can I ask why it's still in effect? There's like a dozen GMs and even more helpers, so, I don't understand why it's in place currently.

[Rigley]

I agree with you so much on this profile concept. Requiring them for the perks. The thing holding that back though, is I think that it feels in general that you -have- to post a whole novel just to get an approved profile currently. Thats just the jive I felt looking over the profiles when returning. Thats...an issue. Not everyone is going to have multiple noteworthy individual events in their char's life that they must point out, nor would some stuff be needed to get the point.

Aye; if there is a wealth of people who feel this way then this is an issue which needs examination.

The two week rule does boggle me too, I'll admit.

We used to use that in cases where the forums would be FLOODED with profiles, and only two or so GMs were actually active. Can I ask why it's still in effect? There's like a dozen GMs and even more helpers, so, I don't understand why it's in place currently.

This also could be looked into.

Bear in mind that I am not speaking from the point of view of the entire team, though this could be used-- alternatively it could not. I'm just one guy, giving my own input on this matter.

[LostStranger]

The thing holding that back though, is I think that it feels in general that you -have- to post a whole novel just to get an approved profile currently. Thats just the jive I felt looking over the profiles when returning. Thats...an issue.

Misconception is rife among those that haven't learned better. It's all very intimidating.

I'll cite Grakor being an avatar of terror over the span of several years, for no reason other than a lack of most anyone trying to get to know him.

...The profile system requires approximately ten lines of personality and history.

Exempli gratia, your post (plus quote) satisfies that minimum.

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Furthermore, if you don't have much to tell on what they've done, you could always focus on who they are as a person. This isn't the place for this, is it?

In defense of popular opinion, though, minimalist profiles are discouraged and (in my opinion) rightly so.