ManDudely Wrote:As much as I like The Film That Shall Not Be Named and agree with the quote, it was based in a realistic world where the only dominant race is Human. There are no Orcs that have been warring against the Humans. You're playing in a fantasy world in a psuedo-middle ages era.
It's all well and good if your character is for some reason progressive enough to look deeper than the green skin, just realise you hold an outlook much different from the conservative norm. Your race is -at war- with these people. You would have been raised in a propaganda riddled environment designed to breed your hatred and distrust of the opposite faction, to garner support for the war efforts. Expect to be outcast and ridiculed for it if people back home find out you're making friends with the enemy... and by people, I generally mean nameless, faceless NPCs that you won't have any interaction with anyway. Of course, this doesn't really apply in Neutral cities, or areas where the Horde and Alliance are forced into coercion, such as Icecrown.
Honestly, sometimes, it feels like World of Lovecraft. Just my thoughts on the matter, anyway.
You shouldn't forget, that almost every content created by Blizzard has gameplay purposes. They don't care about us roleplayers, that's why we play here on this server in the first place.
Just because a faction is in war with another, that doesn't mean that everyone from that faction will hate the other, too. Every living being is an individual and that doesn't have to agree with everything of the own kind.
It's the same in World of Warcraft. The 2-dimensional Horde-Alliance conflict is only there for the PvP anyway.
Quote:It's the same in World of Warcraft. The 2-dimensional Horde-Alliance conflict is only there for the PvP anyway.
Personally, I don't think so. Confict is the driving force of every work of literature. I see RP as a form of conductive literature, and without conflict it would be something like this.
Spoiler'd for small relativity and break in concentration.
Spoiler:
Thrall looks down at the intrepid mouse that had just wondered into his bedchambers. Mice were bothersome these days. Every day they encroached on Horde land, stealing bread and the famous Alteric Swiss Cheese that they had been getting a steady supply of ever since coming on their space cruiser, the HWO Joyflier, to Azeroth. They'd quickly befriended all the humans, gnomes, and dwarves there. The trolls weren't so bad either. They have good dance parties.
What was I thinking about? He was forgetful nowadays. Even Sargeras's last visit to sip tea with Medivh had been relatively uneventful. Mice! Yes, mice. Soon the Horde will need to take action against them! Why did they have a Horde anyway? There was nothing to fight against.
Except the mice. I'll need to pull all the stops. Kor'kron, Sen'jin Personal Guard, SI:7, Bloodsworn Honorguard, The Vindicators, a few Magisters - perhaps gnomish shock troopers? I'm sure they will all be willing to help me in this valiant fight to rid Azeroth of it's mouse population.
Thrall nods, getting up off his bed and stomping toward the mouse. It continues nibbling on a bit of cheese, unaware as Thrall lifts his large foot and stomps on it.
"LOK'TAR OGAR!" He screams. Then he cries and takes a sponge bath.
My point being; Without conflict, nothing is good. I created a character willing to befriend everyone, and I quickly grew tired of it. I've often heard the expression (or proverb) on CotH that "OOC drama is terrible, but IC drama is awesome".
Also, I'm tired of seeing elves hanging off of other races, talkin' 'bout the good ol' days back when so and so and blah blah I love you so much. I'm sorry, I just am. More killing. More killing now.
Mayson Wrote:You shouldn't forget, that almost every content created by Blizzard has gameplay purposes. They don't care about us roleplayers, that's why we play here on this server in the first place.
Just because a faction is in war with another, that doesn't mean that everyone from that faction will hate the other, too. Every living being is an individual and that doesn't have to agree with everything of the own kind.
It's the same in World of Warcraft. The 2-dimensional Horde-Alliance conflict is only there for the PvP anyway.
Alliance-Horde warfare existed before World of Warcraft PvP. There's a whole tonne of lore backing up the roleplay behind it, covering the previous games and before. Yes, not every character from Faction A will be utterly loyal and hate everyone of Faction B, but I think characters who freely mingle with all races should be the exception to the majority, rather than commonplace. It's understandable that Neutral areas such as Booty Bay and Ratchet are popular places, because when you're totally open to cross-faction RP without racial bias, you end up with more people in general to play with.
From a characters standpoint though, I think you'd need a pretty good reason to be so progressive. Think about it. Your opinions are heavily influenced by your early experiences and the environment in which you grew up in. For most, this wouldn't include being friendly to the people your race is at war with.
I'm not saying there should never be any cross-faction friendship and everybody should focus on killing each other. That wouldn't be fun. People get attatched to their characters. A bit more racism and racial tension would be a positive influence though, I think, in terms of roleplay. As has been stated, IC drama is fun, and when race is actually an issue it adds an extra layer to the social complexities of an interaction. It's rewarding to overcome those barriers, but it shouldn't be too easy. It's acceptable to be more tolerant in Neutral areas, just bear in mind they're also hives of scum and villiany who just want your gold. Corruption is abound and greedy pirates are everywhere.
I feel I'm digressing, or running out of relevant things to say, so I'll stop here.
Quote:It's the same in World of Warcraft. The 2-dimensional Horde-Alliance conflict is only there for the PvP anyway.
Personally, I don't think so. Confict is the driving force of every work of literature. I see RP as a form of conductive literature, and without conflict it would be something like this.
Spoiler'd for small relativity and break in concentration.
Spoiler:
Thrall looks down at the intrepid mouse that had just wondered into his bedchambers. Mice were bothersome these days. Every day they encroached on Horde land, stealing bread and the famous Alteric Swiss Cheese that they had been getting a steady supply of ever since coming on their space cruiser, the HWO Joyflier, to Azeroth. They'd quickly befriended all the humans, gnomes, and dwarves there. The trolls weren't so bad either. They have good dance parties.
What was I thinking about? He was forgetful nowadays. Even Sargeras's last visit to sip tea with Medivh had been relatively uneventful. Mice! Yes, mice. Soon the Horde will need to take action against them! Why did they have a Horde anyway? There was nothing to fight against.
Except the mice. I'll need to pull all the stops. Kor'kron, Sen'jin Personal Guard, SI:7, Bloodsworn Honorguard, The Vindicators, a few Magisters - perhaps gnomish shock troopers? I'm sure they will all be willing to help me in this valiant fight to rid Azeroth of it's mouse population.
Thrall nods, getting up off his bed and stomping toward the mouse. It continues nibbling on a bit of cheese, unaware as Thrall lifts his large foot and stomps on it.
"LOK'TAR OGAR!" He screams. Then he cries and takes a sponge bath.
My point being; Without conflict, nothing is good. I created a character willing to befriend everyone, and I quickly grew tired of it. I've often heard the expression (or proverb) on CotH that "OOC drama is terrible, but IC drama is awesome".
Also, I'm tired of seeing elves hanging off of other races, talkin' 'bout the good ol' days back when so and so and blah blah I love you so much. I'm sorry, I just am. More killing. More killing now.
/deposits coins
I didn't say, WoW should be without conflict. Also, there is conflict roleplay on this server. It's just no Alliance-Horde conflict, but a conflict between some guilds, who have members of both factions. All you need is to get involved. :P
Quote:It's acceptable to be more tolerant in Neutral areas, just bear in mind they're also hives of scum and villiany who just want your gold.
I'm actually building up a guild like that at the moment. Also, I made a mistake. The Horde-Alliance conflict has lore backup, but crossfaction RP has lore backup, too, just like you said.
I personally don't like the Horde-Alliance conflict and how, or even better, especially it is executed in WoW, with the new races and classes, the often strange changes in the lore and the like. Doesn't have something to do with the lore itself.
Quote:OOC drama is terrible, but IC drama is awesome
That's a really, really, really good point though...
Lower the flags, a good man has passed.
He has reached the last of frontiers.
Lower the flags, down to half-mast.
For again the world has taken a turn for the worse.
The point remains, however, that in the end it's down to the player and their character who they do and do not associate with. This is a discussion that has come up many times where many have expressed disapproval and concern with how friendly certain characters are towards eachother despite racial and cultural differences.
While it is true that certain races and cultures should react to eachother in certain ways, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Here on CotH, the exception is the rule and vice versa. Say what you will about that; In the end, it's the players' choice. We won't start regulating how people should roleplay their characters, but if you as a player witness something completely outrageous... Then it's up to you to report it to staff members if you feel it should be dealt with. This is neither necessary nor really encouraged, however.
If you and your character feel a relationship between other characters is outrageous, then act it out ICly and enhance the situation for everyone involved. Create more conflict through your own character's reactions.
As a Human, you are completely free to associate with other races of your own faction and even of the opposite faction if you happen to meet on neutral ground where you would not logically lash out at eachother. Be reasonable and no one is going to stop you, but prepare for In Character Consequences. Not everyone is going to approve, and that's just the way it'll be.
Think of the medieval times in our own World, but replace the races with different countries. No doubt would there be rivalry between different nationalities, but at an individual level you could still bend the boundaries as long as you did it with reason and with a little bit of smarts!
Sure, it's the World of Warcraft, but people still take time to drink tea during times of war with a good friend. Unless they're in the line of fire, of course.
Wasn't there a topic of something in the past about this, and went on and on about people saying it isn't allowed but others say it's possible but rare, then everyone agrees it's rare but later goes back to saying it shouldn't be allowed (and so on..)?
I'll just say what I said then, it's rare but possible. Just as long as not everyone rolls neautral characters, as in all their characters are neautral, and they have RPed it in a good way it should be allowed.
Chad - 'Crazy' Forsaken Drakus Ashfollow - Human Tinker
As I said though, it's not a matter of allowing it or not. In the end it comes down to the players and how they want to roleplay their characters while using the existing Lore which is available to them.
How they and their characters choose to interact with others is ultimately up to them.
Also;
Drak Wrote:Wasn't there a topic of something in the past about this, and went on and on about people saying it isn't allowed but others say it's possible but rare, then everyone agrees it's rare but later goes back to saying it shouldn't be allowed (and so on..)?
I'll just say what I said then, it's rare but possible. Just as long as not everyone rolls neautral characters, as in all their characters are neautral, and they have RPed it in a good way it should be allowed.
That was about relationships. Love between races. This topic is more specifically about friendships, which is much more common than inter-racial love.
It got into some speculation that was probably better off left unsaid. They weren't looking at cultural differences so much as physical differences. Get what I'm saying?
A few people may not genuinely be loyal, but TOO MUCH is TOO MUCH. Have you seen the late number of Kaldorei and Sin'dorei loving each other? The humans and orcs hunting game together? Or just the random and oh so annoying Booty Bay RP that we all know and love.
Just a roleplayer's thought (and her two gold coins of comments)
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