Inter-Faction Friendships

[Loxmardin]

... And, in the end... It's their choice. Their RP. And their characters.

If you want to react to that ICly... By all means, do so.

[Cressy]

[Lurk]

This issue has been brought up time and time again since I joined back in 08. One side wants Warcraft, one side wants Lovecraft. No matter how much you dislike something, no matter how much you voice your distaste OOCly, it really does not matter. Sometimes, bringing the OOC part of the situation makes it worse. So, if your character would honestly be loving up on the opposite faction member, then RP it, but make sure you have legit reasons.

And just to say this. No matter how many posts there are about this, it isn't going to solve the problem. For serious.

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[Lurk]

[Roxas65]

Oh, hey Cressy, ya olde forum lurker. Cressy Is not only lurking. She's also absolutely correct. At least according to my own oppinions. It happens in reality and it happens in RP. Some people are simply different. Raised under different ideals or the environment has raised them to be something different. The ideals of people are not some kind of genetic hate or something. The main thing that forms a person is environment. How he is raised, people around him etc. Of course, if you've grown up being taught that orcs are bad, then yes, you'd probably think so too. But something can happen for you to change. The fancy thing about a person's environment is that it never, ever stops forming him.

[Saintraven]

Well, It's kind of annoying though how Blizzard made like as an example the orc lore. How Thall is trying to civilize the orcs and make them friendly with everyone.

I hear they're gona give all the races more reason to fight (and hate) eachother ragain in Cataclysm though.

[Mayson]

Well, It's kind of annoying though how Blizzard made like as an example the orc lore. How Thall is trying to civilize the orcs and make them friendly with everyone.

I hear they're gona give all the races more reason to fight (and hate) eachother ragain in Cataclysm though.

I think, it depends really on the OOC community. For the raiders they wanted maybe to create a feeling of 'belonging' together, despite the engine being made for that Horde-Alliance conflict. So they created all these neutral cities, especially Shattrath and Dalaran (what made me a bit angry in the beginning of WotLK. Now I don't care anymore about Blizzardlore).

The community seems to want more and more PvP now, so they change it again. Funny enough, since in the Beginning WoW was actually focussed on that conflict.

After all, Blizzard changes the Lore and the Gameplay depending on the latest trends. The lore isn't importent to them, money is. The lore books and all the merchandise is just to gain extra money and they are damned succesful with it.

[Grakor456]

Well, It's kind of annoying though how Blizzard made like as an example the orc lore. How Thall is trying to civilize the orcs and make them friendly with everyone.

I hear they're gona give all the races more reason to fight (and hate) eachother ragain in Cataclysm though.

Orcs haven't been bad guys since Warcraft 2, so this is hardly new. To be honest, this is actually a good move on their part. The Horde isn't evil, nor should it be. If it were, justifying certain instances and events would be much more difficult, and an important dynamic would be lost. Warcraft is a world where good and evil might exist, but good can also fight good.

And really, I don't get these statements. The two factions already have a ton of reasons to fight each other. What happened to all of those atrocities and war crimes that happened in Northrend? Or the logging in Ashenvale? Or the various battles still going on in the battlegrounds?

[Miah]

I find it a bit weird that we NEED another reason to be unfriendly to each other. War atrocities, constant battleground fighting and horde and alliance trying to claim land off one another.
And the fact that any npc of the opposite faction will kill you on sight without a second thaught, why this should very rarely be the case for player characters is a mystery to me. :P

[Saintraven]

I just think they wrote off all the hatred (and the point to fight) between each faction to make the Burning Crusade, Lich King's forces and etc, the ultimate evil. So, in this light, I do think therer's very good chance veterans from fighting Burning Crusade and Lich King have a reason to be cross-faction friends... Having been forced to work with many of the common factions, Argent Crusade, Ebon Hand, etc. And it could be others less experienced solders have seen the same example and try to live that way.

I guess it's part too just those neural cities that came from the expansions that made it less and less focused on waring between Alliance and Horde, and the whole "forced to work together to defeat the ultimate evil". More and more exposure to eachother's culture and so on and so forth. Living together as enemies.

But like everyone points out, it's Blizzard lore, made to fit the game dynamics, not to support any kind of roleplay really.

[Ghardiak]

Idk if this was brought up yet, but something no one actually seems to notice is: We don't have many Alliance players, meaning, some Neutral RP is necessary, after all, if we didn't have it, Ally players would have like, tavern RP, mostly, not to say only.

[Geoni]

idk Ghardiak, there seems to be more Alliance characters than there are Horde characters on the server. I'm also pretty sure that humans are the most frequently made character-race but I don't really have the statistics to prove that and I'm also just blabbering off topic, so let me get back on it to address how many people are not really on topic.

Many of you are confusing the thread with another subject, which is inter faction lovers or anything of the likes. This thread is about Inter-Faction Friendships, which is a whole different level.

My generalizations on levels of relationships between people of different factions and races:

What I mean by level is that lovers or gf/bf's should be within the same faction, and race. The alliance is a bit less restrictive among inter-racial relationships as long as they are not too wildly different or that the race is in another faction. The horde races are different, if your character were to become a lover or gf/bf to another race then you will more than likely get kicked out of the tribe or shunned by your family and people. If that character married somebody from a different race AND faction then they might as well get a tattoo across their forehead that says "traitor".

Now a best friend that is in another race might be uneasy for your character's people but there shouldn't be too much trouble involved if that best friend is a member of the Horde. Now when it comes to alliance I don't think they would care much at all. Having a best friend that is in the Horde when your character is in the Alliance, or vice-versa, would more than likely cause some tension.

I think the tension wouldn't be as bad if a friend was in a different faction as long as the friend shared the same beliefs and virtues the same things that your character does. A tauren being a friend with a night elf shouldn't come to a surprise, and makes a great deal of sense if that tauren is a druid. Though take a look at the situation that Grakor presented, it would hardly make any sense for a night elf to befriend an orc.

Take this phrase into mind:

"Family is like a nose, you can't take the fact that they are family away, but friends are like boogars, you can pick them and flick them away when you want to. It is also gross to eat them lulz."

Oh...I think I took another phrase and it didn't filter well through my mind, oh well. XD

[HownDoog]

Spoiler:

The point remains, however, that in the end it's down to the player and their character who they do and do not associate with. This is a discussion that has come up many times where many have expressed disapproval and concern with how friendly certain characters are towards eachother despite racial and cultural differences.

While it is true that certain races and cultures should react to eachother in certain ways, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Here on CotH, the exception is the rule and vice versa. Say what you will about that; In the end, it's the players' choice. We won't start regulating how people should roleplay their characters, but if you as a player witness something completely outrageous... Then it's up to you to report it to staff members if you feel it should be dealt with. This is neither necessary nor really encouraged, however.

If you and your character feel a relationship between other characters is outrageous, then act it out ICly and enhance the situation for everyone involved. Create more conflict through your own character's reactions.

As a Human, you are completely free to associate with other races of your own faction and even of the opposite faction if you happen to meet on neutral ground where you would not logically lash out at eachother. Be reasonable and no one is going to stop you, but prepare for In Character Consequences. Not everyone is going to approve, and that's just the way it'll be.

Think of the medieval times in our own World, but replace the races with different countries. No doubt would there be rivalry between different nationalities, but at an individual level you could still bend the boundaries as long as you did it with reason and with a little bit of smarts!

Sure, it's the World of Warcraft, but people still take time to drink tea during times of war with a good friend. Unless they're in the line of fire, of course.

This issue has been brought up time and time again since I joined back in 08. One side wants Warcraft, one side wants Lovecraft. No matter how much you dislike something, no matter how much you voice your distaste OOCly, it really does not matter. Sometimes, bringing the OOC part of the situation makes it worse. So, if your character would honestly be loving up on the opposite faction member, then RP it, but make sure you have legit reasons.

And just to say this. No matter how many posts there are about this, it isn't going to solve the problem. For serious.

I don't see how there is much of a discussion. Nothing is going to change.
Another thread becoming redundant.
The truth has been stated multiple times.

[Grakor456]

Idk if this was brought up yet, but something no one actually seems to notice is: We don't have many Horde players, meaning, some Neutral RP is necessary, after all, if we didn't have it, Hordie players would have like, no RP at all.

Fixed the bolded parts for you.

Seriously, I don't know what server you play on, but Allies outnumber Hordies heavily almost always on this one, except during events or during spikes of interest in certain Horde guilds. Hordes don't even have tavern RP to fall back on, except possibly in Silvermoon.

[Wuvvums]

What I mean by level is that lovers or gf/bf's should be within the same faction, and race. The alliance is a bit less restrictive among inter-racial relationships as long as they are not too wildly different or that the race is in another faction. The horde races are different, if your character were to become a lover or gf/bf to another race then you will more than likely get kicked out of the tribe or shunned by your family and people.

Actually I don't think it's that way at all. If you think of it both the Horde and the Alliance have their groups that are more open to interracial relationships. Dwarves, gnomes and humans don't seem to mind interracial relationships among one another. Meanwhile I imagine it's the same for the younger, core races of the horde. I don't see why anyone would get shunned if a troll dated an orc or an orc dated a tauren. It might be a little weird but I don't think the entire village would go shun people over that. Actually, I think troll/orc would be a pretty acceptable one.

Also notice that both the Horde and Alliance have two races that are probably better off to themselves- draenei, night elves, forsaken and blood elves are the ones who wouldn't get into interracial relationships.

Oh, and a human and a high elf is an okay coupling as well, but wouldn't apply to the server here since high elves are not allowed.

[Geoni]

Ha, well somebody had to be blunt about it and I suppose that somebody had to be Grakor.

If there isn't a thread on this problem:

Horde...

...Hordie...

...no RP at all.

Then there should be. Promoting more players to create characters that are Horde races would be a nice community uprising. And not only Horde races, but those races of the Alliance like the draenei, dwarves, and gnomes would be nice to see more of too. Promoting players to get out of their comfort zones of "Ratchet" and "Booty Bay" would be another great choice for the community to start considering. These are neutral zones where characters of both of the factions can co-exist without bloodshed, that is unless they are dumb enough to do such things with all of those bruisers around. I think it is about comfort zones. Players feel comfortable playing in certain places, playing with certain players or characters, playing certain races or gender.

I'm also going to be blunt and say that people should stop creating so many human characters. I'm going to guess they do this because like Loxmardin said,

As a Human, you are completely free to associate with other races of your own faction and even of the opposite faction if you happen to meet on neutral ground where you would not logically lash out at eachother.

And it doesn't take as much effort for a human character to make friends ICly and go to places and be accepted, or have an excuse to be in those places. I'm not going to condemn anybody for creating a human character, it is just that I think that other races need more active characters. It also plays in to the fact that certain cities are wastelands filled with npc's. I love the npc's but they just aren't very interactive :P.

But I'm just a nub, so who am I to judge the community? *shrugs*

Edit: Wuvvums I see where you are coming from with the troll-orc ordeal, but I think you should add Tauren to the others you mentioned that wouldn't find themselves in a relationship with other races. That is what I meant by "shunned by family" or in the tauren's case "shunned by tribe". Then again there are always exceptions to the rule. I guess I should have added more specification to my post.

[Wuvvums]

Why would a tauren be shunned for dating an orc or a troll? Just want to know o: